Quadir Copeland/NC St

[Orangezoo]

Anyone who chirps Cuse should be met with some hostility, even if we hate our coach.

let’s be honest here… chirping at Red and staff. I get your point but we don’t have a lot to stand up behind our program right now given the lack of relevance and poor performance. For this type of thing I laugh at the gesture more than anything given no one cares enough to give him additional attention to his complaints.

 

[orangepassion]

Very good article. Lots of interesting insights, particularly from Judah Mintz.

 

[Eric15]

Q was my favorite player on the 2024 team and the player I was most bummed to lose in the portal era.

 

[HyattsCuse]

Article seems like a nice summary of Copeland’s collegiate career. Sounds like Wade finally gave him the wake-up call he needed by kicking him off the team temporarily at McNeese to finally humble him. Academic issues here as well as not wanting the role Red was defining for him wasn’t enough.

 

[Blanko97]

Not following your logic. Red had a cancer in the locker room and outside it and you want to blame Red? There's plenty you can put on Red deservingly, this isn't one of those things. When you have a cancer, you cut it out or it spreads.

I’m just saying he has seemingly had accountability and locker room issues 2/3 years and it appears there may be some forming this year as well.

 

[orangecuse]

Loved his game. Didn't love his head.

 

[Cuse_NYC]

Kingz is our best on ball defender. But to act like we have Michael Jordan to throw on Copeland is a stretch. He was on Cummings a bunch against Pitt.

 

[Dinkyspond]

"It's personal ". I would imagine it would be for a guy who stopped going to class and invited people to stay with him in his appartment. Both issues documented by insiders. Also shared he was disruptive in the locker room and had no respect for the staff. This guy is the perfect example of "addition by subtraction ". If he has truly changed his behavior good for him but let's not even remotely act like Syracuse blindly just let a kid go. Dude was intentionally let go because he was a walking scheetshow.

this^

 

[capeorange]

Q was my favorite player on the 2024 team and the player I was most bummed to lose in the portal era.

I liked Q until his last game of the season where, to me, it looked like a couple of his passes to the other team looked intentional.

 

[JarHeadJim]

I'm not going to lie. I love Copeland!

 

[Brooky03]

I liked Copeland on the court. I could also understand the perception of not being respected for his abilities and not getting the opportunities he wanted leading him to do a lot of the off court stuff he did here. But that doesn’t excuse what he did.

I also have no confidence our players will step up and play motivated to stop Quadir/defend Red. And that’s really the sad part.

 

[grepal]

Q was my favorite player on the 2024 team and the player I was most bummed to lose in the portal era.

Yeah, Q was one of the most dynamic players to wear orange. He has the "it" factor and was my favorite as well. Sure, he made mistakes, but no one gave more effort and entertainment. Imagine, him, William and White playing together. Possibly lead the NCAA in technical fouls but they could blow the roof off of the dome.

 

[Conrad13]

Q was my favorite player on the 2024 team and the player I was most bummed to lose in the portal era.

There was a lot I liked about his game and I was hoping that he was going to be a loveable knucklehead fan favorite who stuck around for a few years. However, it seems like there was enough stuff going on behind the scenes that I am cool with Red letting him go and don't think that his chirping at Syracuse is warranted. There's not much to play for this season, so I'd love to see our guys take some extra pride in shutting him down.

 

[Sbucketball]

Good article on syracuse.com. I like the insight.

One nit -- we don't have to keep lying that Red won 20 games his first year. He won 19 games, plus beat Division 2 Chaminade which did not count towards the W/L tally. It was an Exhibition, and we've never counted exhibitions against DII teams in our win column. Syracuse hasn't won 20 regular season games since 2013-14. That's 12 seasons ago.

 

[SUbear]

There was a lot I liked about his game and I was hoping that he was going to be a loveable knucklehead fan favorite who stuck around for a few years. However, it seems like there was enough stuff going on behind the scenes that I am cool with Red letting him go and don't think that his chirping at Syracuse is warranted. There's not much to play for this season, so I'd love to see our guys take some extra pride in shutting him down.

Not that it matters either way, but I would not be betting on Syracuse to win this game. For me any individual personnel battles are irrelevant.

 

[HyattsCuse]

I also have no confidence our players will step up and play motivated to stop Quadir/defend Red. And that’s really the sad part.

JJ is going to step up and lock down Q! As the only player that knows Q personally, he’s going to take it personal that Q is taking it personal. I have a good feeling (or maybe cabin fever).

 

[HyattsCuse]

Good article on syracuse.com. I like the insight.

One nit -- we don't have to keep lying that Red won 20 games his first year. He won 19 games, plus beat Division 2 Chaminade which did not count towards the W/L tally. It was an Exhibition, and we've never counted exhibitions against DII teams in our win column. Syracuse hasn't won 20 regular season games since 2013-14. That's 12 seasons ago.

Oh fun. This again. Yes, Syracuse won 20 games. Chaminade counted as a game in Maui. Everywhere you look, their record that year is documented as 20-12.

The NCAA’s Selection Committee does not consider games against non-Division I teams. The committee members can view the results of those games as a point of reference but win or lose, the non-DI games are not part of the NET calculation, nor are they sorted in one of the quadrants.
In other words, it does not count as a Quadrant 4 win.

From a statistics standpoint, the game counts. In terms of Adrian Autry’s career wins total, the game counts. But from an NCAA selection standpoint, it’s not included in the calculations.

 

[MSOrange]

Chris Carlson's article was really good. Q had a lot of talent, but he also had a lot of maturing to do during his time at SU.

 

[Hopkins16]

Should be an interesting game, win or lose, whether Copeland explodes or is humbled.

 

[Cheriehoop]

It wasn’t his fancy passes which most times could have been simple passes if the goal was to be efficient, it was the turnovers he had because he preferred making simple plays, difficult, for personal showtime displays. His last year here, his sophomore year, he had 2.8 assists vs 2.0 turnovers. No one denied that he had talent, it was judgement that he lacked on and off the court. He did somewhat better at McNeese but to his credit, he’s put it all together his last year, his senior year at NC State. His current statement though still reeks of some immaturity that he’s publicizing again for personal attention.

 

[Eric15]

I liked Q until his last game of the season where, to me, it looked like a couple of his passes to the other team looked intentional.

Yikes. I was at that game in person and I don't remember that. If that's true it would be arguably the worst thing in SU basketball history.

 

[Sherman20]

Not following your logic. Red had a cancer in the locker room and outside it and you want to blame Red? There's plenty you can put on Red deservingly, this isn't one of those things. When you have a cancer, you cut it out or it spreads.

We were told by insiders on here that Q wasn’t going to classes and wouldn’t be able to qualify academically for the next season, and that’s the reason he was forced to leave. They said it wasn’t really about the big personality and high risk-high reward way that Q played. But honestly, I don’t know if I believe the academic issue anymore. It now just feels like more spin by the coaching staff. It was mid-semester. He still had time to improve academically. IMO, I believe it was rooted in the latter two reasons, and I think that further shows Red’s poor judgment and stubbornness as a head coach. We all knew Q needed to improve and mature and rein in some of his excesses. But you don’t let raw talent and athleticism walk away. He was only a sophomore, and it was Red’s job to help him mature and grow. But he didn’t want to deal with it and cut bait and then failed to land a PG anywhere near as good as Q. A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.

 

[Doc5120]

Boy, I'm shocked by this...

"Wade said Copeland had to improve on personal habits like being on time and reliable."

Honestly, the kid was a headache. I don't blame the staff at all on telling him to hit the road.

 

[HyattsCuse]

We were told by insiders on here that Q wasn’t going to classes and wouldn’t be able to qualify academically for the next season, and that’s the reason he was forced to leave. They said it wasn’t really about the big personality and high risk-high reward way that Q played. But honestly, I don’t know if I believe the academic issue anymore. It now just feels like more spin by the coaching staff. It was mid-semester. He still had time to improve academically. IMO, I believe it was rooted in the latter two reasons, and I think that further shows Red’s poor judgment as a head coach. We all knew Q needed to improve and mature and rein in some of his excesses. But you don’t let raw talent and athleticism walk away. He was only a sophomore, and it was Red’s job to help him mature and grow. But he didn’t want to deal with it and cut bait and then failed to land a PG anywhere near as good as Q. A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.

Did you read the posted article in this thread?

There’s enough written in there that it doesn’t sound like spin to me. At the time, he was way behind on academic work, didn’t want the role Red wanted to put him in, and was clearly full of himself.

He somehow got the academic piece together enough to go to McNeese, but then Wade kicked him off the team for 10 days. Finally humbled Q a bit.

Could he have grown up here? Maybe, but it sounds like he was a serious handful.

 

[LpoolNative]

"Wade said Copeland had to improve on personal habits like being on time and reliable."

Boy, I'm shocked by this...

Honestly, the kid was a headache. I don't blame the staff at all on telling him to hit the road.

if you have to teach a kid to be on time still at 21 years old it’s probably best to move on, he’s having a solid year but the stats are misleading.

He’s still incredibly wild and does dumb stuff that hurts the team and momentum of NCST offense