Ran into a yucky stat.

[chugg21]

Was reading through an ESPN article comparing all of the QBs in the draft and there was a section based on mid-level(11-20 yds) out routes which are a good indicator of timing, accuracy, arm strength and ran into this blurb about Kellen Mond...

Parolin: Mond's inaccuracy pops up again. There were 163 quarterbacks who threw 25-plus of these attempts in a season over the last two years, and the only one who posted a worst completion percentage in a season than Mond's 22.9% in the sample was Syracuse's Tommy DeVito (16.7% in 2019).

 

[TexanMark]

Well it was for 2019, wonder what 2020 was? That stat isn't all on TD...pass blocking and receivers are just as culpable.

 

[chugg21]

Well it was for 2019, wonder what 2020 was? That stat isn't all on TD...pass blocking and receivers are just as culpable.

Well yeah, but it's also 163 out of 163 and over 6% worse than 162. That's rough.

Obviously there's essentially 0 context provided but to be last out of that large of a sample size and last by a lot was stunning enough that I thought it was worth sharing.

 

[upperdeck]

Was reading through an ESPN article comparing all of the QBs in the draft and there was a section based on mid-level(11-20 yds) out routes which are a good indicator of timing, accuracy, arm strength and ran into this blurb about Kellen Mond...

Parolin: Mond's inaccuracy pops up again. There were 163 quarterbacks who threw 25-plus of these attempts in a season over the last two years, and the only one who posted a worst completion percentage in a season than Mond's 22.9% in the sample was Syracuse's Tommy DeVito (16.7% in 2019).

You would have a hard time even finding that route tree in our passing game? When do we run 10-20 yd out patterns? If you dont run them as a normal part of the game plan then you wont be running them against the D at the best time to complete them.

 

[TheCusian]

You would have a hard time even finding that route tree in our passing game? When do we run 10-20 yd out patterns? If you dont run them as a normal part of the game plan then you wont be running them against the D at the best time to complete them.

Yep. Wonder if it’s all those “scrambling for his life, chucks it out of bounds”

 

[chugg21]

Yep. Wonder if it’s all those “scrambling for his life, chucks it out of bounds”

I wouldn't possibly imagine that those get charted and placed into a specific route attempt but there was no other context to know anything for sure.

 

[upperdeck]

well if you go by the odd 16.67%.. you come up with 1 for 6.. if you said we ran it 6 times all year I could see that. and if they all came on 3rd and 12 the odds of success would be pretty low.. But who knows.

 

[CA Monk]

Well yeah, but it's also 163 out of 163 and over 6% worse than 162. That's rough.

Obviously there's essentially 0 context provided but to be last out of that large of a sample size and last by a lot was stunning enough that I thought it was worth sharing.

As expected, the board will give you no love for this. But any way you cut it - Ouch.

 

[AngryOtto]

As expected, the board will give you no love for this. But any way you cut it - Ouch.

There are some hard core TD supporters in the board.
I really hope TD succeeds but I feel that if he does not we have quality backups now to win. If he wins the starting job out of camp he will have a very very short leash.
Looking forward to spring ball even though I do not expect a lot of news. I would like an updated roster to know exactly who is on the team.

 

[CA Monk]

There are some hard core TD supporters in the board.
I really hope TD succeeds but I feel that if he does not we have quality backups now to win. If he wins the starting job out of camp he will have a very very short leash.
Looking forward to spring ball even though I do not expect a lot of news. I would like an updated roster to know exactly who is on the team.

Yup. As they say, I'm "pivoting" to football now that bball is over (great unexpected run - thanks guys). I'd also like an updated roster to see who's in/out/injured. I'm excited about the freshman recruits already participating in WW and Spring Ball. It will give them an advantage come fall. But overall, I think QB Shrader will be a difference maker. If he doesn't push TD to greater heights, he may be the 2nd coming of Dungey. I think he'll motivate the team with leadership and win-first fearlessness. Is it 9/4 yet?
My hope: A good season followed by a bowl, followed by a ridiculously stellar recruiting class courtesy White, Monroe and whomever.

 

[Wrinkle]

16.7%... Jesus christ

 

[RandomGuy]

16.7%... Jesus christ

We were a bad team. BaD. All 11, and the coaches own that stat. With sufficient pass pro, run block, route running, and play calling? I dont think it looks anything like that.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

As expected, the board will give you no love for this. But any way you cut it - Ouch.

Questioning the methodology isn't the same as defending the player. We know where his faults lie.

 

[NJCuse97]

Was reading through an ESPN article comparing all of the QBs in the draft and there was a section based on mid-level(11-20 yds) out routes which are a good indicator of timing, accuracy, arm strength and ran into this blurb about Kellen Mond...

Parolin: Mond's inaccuracy pops up again. There were 163 quarterbacks who threw 25-plus of these attempts in a season over the last two years, and the only one who posted a worst completion percentage in a season than Mond's 22.9% in the sample was Syracuse's Tommy DeVito (16.7% in 2019).

I think it odd that two of the three things this seems to point to, accuracy and arm strength, are two things seen as a strength of TD. Something else seems to be skewing the stat.

Timing, pressure, WR, lack of mid level out routes in our system, and yes, throw-aways which must be tracked as an incomplete pass, so they must look for where it went, must influence this stat.

When TD doesn’t run out of bounds behind the line, he often throws 15 yards up field and out of bounds. On occasion, not far enough resulting in at least one interception. Perhaps he’s trying too hard to give his receivers a last chance.

 

[chugg21]

We were a bad team. BaD. All 11, and the coaches own that stat. With sufficient pass pro, run block, route running, and play calling? I dont think it looks anything like that.

Think it included 2019 when we were not good instead of horrifically bad.

 

[chugg21]

I think it odd that two of the three things this seems to point to, accuracy and arm strength, are two things seen as a strength of TD. Something else seems to be skewing the stat.

Timing, pressure, WR, lack of mid level out routes in our system, and yes, throw-aways which must be tracked as an incomplete pass, so they must look for where it went, must influence this stat.

When TD doesn’t run out of bounds behind the line, he often throws 15 yards up field and out of bounds. On occasion, not far enough resulting in at least one interception. Perhaps he’s trying too hard to give his receivers a last chance.

Problem there is this is inclusive of 163 QBs and you'd imagine there are 50 others at a minimum dealing with those same circumstances/issues as well.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

Parolin: Mond's inaccuracy pops up again. There were 163 quarterbacks who threw 25-plus of these attempts in a season over the last two years, and the only one who posted a worst completion percentage in a season than Mond's 22.9% in the sample was Syracuse's Tommy DeVito (16.7% in 2019).

Am I reading this correctly? That it’s QB’s with 25 plus attempts a year in each of the last two years?

So that covers 2020. Tommy did worse in 2019. Does that mean that Tommy didn’t throw over 25 of those passes in 2020 or was better than Mond’s stats?

 

[upperdeck]

I would be hard pressed to say we ran 25 of those pass plays in any year under Dino. but its all a blur at times.

Still if its hike, drop back. boom pass to the out 17 yds down field and thats always incomplete passes like this stat says thats an issue.. if its hike run for your life scramble and throw it anywhere to avoid the sack and its 15 yds down field thats not a QB issue.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

I would be hard pressed to say we ran 25 of those pass plays in any year under Dino. but its all a blur at times.

Still if its hike, drop back. boom pass to the out 17 yds down field and thats always incomplete passes like this stat says thats an issue.. if its hike run for your life scramble and throw it anywhere to avoid the sack and its 15 yds down field thats not a QB issue.

Yeah I’m guessing we somehow had 25 plays that were considered 20 yard outs in 2019, wether called or scrambles

I think we all can guess Tommy’s weaknesses and arm strength and accuracy are not two of them

 

[longtimefan]

Yeah I’m guessing we somehow had 25 plays that were considered 20 yard outs in 2019, wether called or scrambles

I think we all can guess Tommy’s weaknesses and arm strength and accuracy are not two of them

He throws a nice deep ball. But I think his short game lacks both accuracy and touch.

 

[BrooklynCuse]

He throws a nice deep ball. But I think his short game lacks both accuracy and touch.

Going with the last two years I might have to agree

But I remember him coming in for Dungey and not only throwing a nice pinpoint long ball but also throwing darts on those WR screens and on slants(which we barely threw the last two years for some reason)

 

[Orangepace]

What does spiking a ball on 4th down mean to NFL scouts?

 

[kcsu]

What does spiking a ball on 4th down mean to NFL scouts?

It means they can skip the intellectual test portion of the interview.

 

[Orijinal]

Timing, pressure, WR, lack of mid level out routes in our system, and yes, throw-aways which must be tracked as an incomplete pass, so they must look for where it went, must influence this stat.

When TD doesn’t run out of bounds behind the line, he often throws 15 yards up field and out of bounds. On occasion, not far enough resulting in at least one interception. Perhaps he’s trying too hard to give his receivers a last chance.

It absolutely has to be this

 

[Orijinal]

What does spiking a ball on 4th down mean to NFL scouts?

That wasn't Tommy. But hilarious post, nonetheless