Rank the Post-McNabb Quarterbacks

[donniesyracuse]

Forgive me, I'm just thinking Syracuse football while avoiding work.

I only included QBs that started games.

Edit: I originally forgot Drew Allen

1. Nassib (duh; what a drop off to #2)

2. Nunes (probably a controversial pick. I just prefer high risk, high reward guys. It could be 3rd down and 20 and I still thought he had a chance to convert; of course it was probably 3 and 20 because he was sacked for a 15 yard loss on 2nd and 5. The team was better with Anderson in 2001)

3. Anderson (He had a pretty good senior season, but the team was better with Nunes in 2002)

4. Patterson (Apologies to ILuvMyGrandson if you're still around)

5. Hunt (Could easily move up or down the list this year)

6. Paulus (I guess he was good for a guy who hadn't played football in awhile)

7. Dantley (ugh; I hate that era; I still have nightmares of QBs hopping)

8. Robinson (Showed some promise early-on, but was outplayed by a walk-on; Marrone was not interested when he got to town)

9. Williams (outplayed by Nunes and Anderson)

10. Long (small sample size)

11. Fields (he was a very good safety; nice bomb at the end of the 1st half of the UConn game in 2004)

12. Allen (ugh)

13. Wilson (small sample size, but no thanks)

Am I forgetting anyone?

 

[Full_Rebar]

Did Legree ever get any run before he left?

 

[jekelish]

Am I forgetting anyone?

Unfortunately no. But we can sure make a concerted effort to try!

 

[donniesyracuse]

Did Legree ever get any run before he left?

I am almost positive he never took a snap.

 

[ImperialOrange]

1) Dungey

 

[Trueblue25]

Impressive

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Where's Joe Dailey & Cecil Howard?

 

[RF2044]

Forgive me, I'm just thinking Syracuse football while avoiding work.

I only included QBs that started games.

Edit: I originally forgot Drew Allen

1. Nassib (duh; what a drop off to #2)

2. Nunes (probably a controversial pick. I just prefer high risk, high reward guys. It could be 3rd down and 20 and I still thought he had a chance to convert; of course it was probably 3 and 20 because he was sacked for a 15 yard loss on 2nd and 5. The team was better with Anderson in 2001)

3. Anderson (He had a pretty good senior season, but the team was better with Nunes in 2002)

4. Patterson (Apologies to ILuvMyGrandson if you're still around)

5. Hunt (Could easily move up or down the list this year)

6. Paulus (I guess he was good for a guy who hadn't played football in awhile)

7. Dantley (ugh; I hate that era; I still have nightmares of QBs hopping)

8. Robinson (Showed some promise early-on, but was outplayed by a walk-on; Marrone was not interested when he got to town)

9. Williams (outplayed by Nunes and Anderson)

10. Long (small sample size)

11. Fields (he was a very good safety; nice bomb at the end of the 1st of the UConn game in 2004)

12. Allen (ugh)

13. Wilson (small sample size, but no thanks)

Am I forgetting anyone?

Micah Kimble, Chad Elliot, Cecil Howard.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Micah Kimble.

Never started a game

 

[jekelish]

Where's Joe Dailey & Cecil Howard?

How about Chad Elliot?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

How about Chad Elliot?

Matt Hale?

 

[jekelish]

There is The Ridiculously Good Looking Charley Loeb and then there is everyone else.

 

[RF2044]

1. Nassib (HUGE dropoff to the next player on this list)

2. Anderson (innacurate passer for much of his career, but had a solid senior season)

3. Paulus (numbers are inflated from a comparison standpoint, but I think he could have done "better" if we'd been able to field a better team)

4. Hunt (big senior year could push him up this list into second place)

5. Nunes (made as many bad plays as he did good ones, but he had ability)

6. Williams (Madei not being "good enough" is a big reason for the post-McNabb dropoff, but he's better than a lot of the other guys on this list)

7. Patterson (never came close to living up to the hype of being a four star recruit. One of the most frustrating QBs I've had the misfortune to root for as an SU fan)

This is where there's another big drop off, IMO...

8. Long (story still being written, and at least he showed some promise last year against FSU)

9. Robinson (career ruined by lousy OL [thanks, LT Tucker Baumbach], but he just wasn't very good)

10. Dantley (Robinsion was so generally poor that a walk on actually started some games over him. Dantley wasn't bad, just overmatched)

11. Allen (What happened to this guy? I had high hopes, but he was totally inadequte / not up to the task of being a starting QB)

12. Fields (I feel bad for listing him this low; it was really a disservice to march him out as a starter his true freshman year, otherwise he might have been much higher on this list)

13. Wilson (nothing against him, but he doesn't seem to fit our system and is an INT machine)


And just for giggles, I decided to factor in three more QBs not listed above who never started a game for SU, but some of whom deserve to be listed due to their infamy in the post-McNabb QB debacle:

14. Chad Elliot (maybe he could have made a difference here, but we never got to find out because of his absurd academic issues. His ineligibility is a huge reason for the poast McNabb dropoff, IMO)

15. Cecil Howard (him being congenitally incapable of passing is another huge reason for the post-McNabb dropoff. We needed either Elliot, Howard, or Patterson to be really good -- and all three whiffed)

16. Michah Kimble (new staff getting involved late generally equals a prospect that nobody else wants. Kimble fit the system athletically, but wasn't good enough for the ACC)


Just for sh-ts and giggles, here are three more names:

Charley Loeb -- had he gotten the opportunity to start, I think he would have been an effective starter and worked his way up to about the 6 or 7 mark on the list above. I think he could have actually been pretty decent, in the mold of a poor man's Nassib

David Legree -- another one of those guys with a ton of athletic ability, who transferred out, had big numbers at a lower level, and became a legitimate NFL draft prospect. Wish he'd stayed and played ahead of Robinson / Dantley, because I have a feeling that he would be in the top 2 or 3 on the list above if he'd been given the opportunity to play

Cody Catalina -- did he lift TOO many weights and grow out of the position? I had high hopes for Catalina. Injuries derailed his career, but I would have liked to see what he could do instead of Robinson / Dantley

 

[elimunelson]

Forgive me, I'm just thinking Syracuse football while avoiding work.

I only included QBs that started games.

Edit: I originally forgot Drew Allen

1. Nassib (duh; what a drop off to #2)

2. Nunes (probably a controversial pick. I just prefer high risk, high reward guys. It could be 3rd down and 20 and I still thought he had a chance to convert; of course it was probably 3 and 20 because he was sacked for a 15 yard loss on 2nd and 5. The team was better with Anderson in 2001)

3. Anderson (He had a pretty good senior season, but the team was better with Nunes in 2002)

4. Patterson (Apologies to ILuvMyGrandson if you're still around)

5. Hunt (Could easily move up or down the list this year)

6. Paulus (I guess he was good for a guy who hadn't played football in awhile)

7. Dantley (ugh; I hate that era; I still have nightmares of QBs hopping)

8. Robinson (Showed some promise early-on, but was outplayed by a walk-on; Marrone was not interested when he got to town)

9. Williams (outplayed by Nunes and Anderson)

10. Long (small sample size)

11. Fields (he was a very good safety; nice bomb at the end of the 1st of the UConn game in 2004)

12. Allen (ugh)

13. Wilson (small sample size, but no thanks)

Am I forgetting anyone?

That is as depressing a list ever. If Kevin Mason was added to this list, where does he slot? I always thought he had a halfway decent season in 94. It wasn't lights out but certainly on par with Graves 93 in some regards.

 

[bevosu]

Colt Brennan...what might have been.

 

[Tobias Funke]

I liked Nassib late in his career, but boy does it paint a clear picture when he is the best quarterback we have had over that period of time. 13 starters since Mcnabb, wow

 

[Pyle]

I will not participate in this 'Would you rather sleep with Rosie O'Donnell or Rosanne Barr' line of questioning!!!

 

[OrangeDW]

1. Nassib
2. Paulus
3. Anderson
4. Nunes
5. Hunt
6. Patterson
7. Williams
8. Robinson
9. Dantley
10. Long
11. Allen
12. Fields
13. Wilson

 

[Nick44]

I'll add a star system to my list to add interest -

1. Nassib - 4 stars - if you offered me today for Dungey to be as good as Nassib was I would take that in a second. Could you imagine Nassib with a few legitimate skill players? Thanks Mike Williams.

2. Paulus - 3 stars - with another year to build strength and experience, he would have been much better IMHO.

3. Anderson - 3 stars - had a better career than I thought he would. Literally was a physical clone with the same #5 as his predecessor. I thought they were twins. With better QB coaching, I think he would've been very good instead of solid.

4. Nunes - 3 stars - I could write a book on Nunes. He definitely had balls but man did he shoot us in the foot time and time again. Still remember those Pitt and VT games in the dome. Special.

5. Hunt - 3 stars - probably the best runner on this list. Average passer.

6. Patterson - 3 stars - suffered with bad coaching and as a result never matured as a QB.

7. Dantley - 2 stars - had great confidence and was a decent athlete but his arm strength severely limited him as a QB. Also suffered with bad coaching.

8. Williams - 2 stars - great athlete who wasn't given enough time to grow. With the Vick decommit he was thrown into the fire and it ruined him.

9. Long - 2 stars - similar to Williams in that he played before he was ready. Also limited athletically but makes up for that with confidence and work ethic.

10. Fields - 2 stars - the most overhyped incoming QB since Cecil Howard. Thankfully he found a home at safety.

11. Robinson - 2 stars - it's tough to succeed with zero coaching. Zero. Not his fault.

12. Wilson - 2 stars - too prone to mistakes. Career backup.

13. Allen - 1 star - awful.

14. Hale - 0 stars - not only was he a career high school backup...he was a career high school backup for his CANADIAN high school football team. He just happened to be 6'4 so they offered him. Where do I sign up? (He never played but too ridiculous to ignore.)

 

[OttoMets]

That is as depressing a list ever. If Kevin Mason was added to this list, where does he slot? I always thought he had a halfway decent season in 94. It wasn't lights out but certainly on par with Graves 93 in some regards.

Second. He could play.

For the record, I'd have Madei second on this current list. Never felt he got a fair shot with that platoon nonsense.

 

[NKR1978]

1. Nassib (HUGE dropoff to the next player on this list)

2. Anderson (innacurate passer for much of his career, but had a solid senior season)

3. Paulus (numbers are inflated from a comparison standpoint, but I think he could have done "better" if we'd been able to field a better team)

4. Hunt (big senior year could push him up this list into second place)

5. Nunes (made as many bad plays as he did good ones, but he had ability)

6. Williams (Madei not being "good enough" is a big reason for the post-McNabb dropoff, but he's better than a lot of the other guys on this list)

7. Patterson (never came close to living up to the hype of being a four star recruit. One of the most frustrating QBs I've had the misfortune to root for as an SU fan)

This is where there's another big drop off, IMO...

8. Long (story still being written, and at least he showed some promise last year against FSU)

9. Robinson (career ruined by lousy OL [thanks, LT Tucker Baumbach], but he just wasn't very good)

10. Dantley (Robinsion was so generally poor that a walk on actually started some games over him. Dantley wasn't bad, just overmatched)

11. Allen (What happened to this guy? I had high hopes, but he was totally inadequte / not up to the task of being a starting QB)

12. Fields (I feel bad for listing him this low; it was really a disservice to march him out as a starter his true freshman year, otherwise he might have been much higher on this list)

13. Wilson (nothing against him, but he doesn't seem to fit our system and is an INT machine)

And just for giggles, I decided to factor in three more QBs not listed above who never started a game for SU, but some of whom deserve to be listed due to their infamy in the post-McNabb QB debacle:

14. Chad Elliot (maybe he could have made a difference here, but we never got to find out because of his absurd academic issues. His ineligibility is a huge reason for the poast McNabb dropoff, IMO)

15. Cecil Howard (him being congenitally incapable of passing is another huge reason for the post-McNabb dropoff. We needed either Elliot, Howard, or Patterson to be really good -- and all three whiffed)

16. Michah Kimble (new staff getting involved late generally equals a prospect that nobody else wants. Kimble fit the system athletically, but wasn't good enough for the ACC)

Just for sh-ts and giggles, here are three more names:

Charley Loeb -- had he gotten the opportunity to start, I think he would have been an effective starter and worked his way up to about the 6 or 7 mark on the list above. I think he could have actually been pretty decent, in the mold of a poor man's Nassib

David Legree -- another one of those guys with a ton of athletic ability, who transferred out, had big numbers at a lower level, and became a legitimate NFL draft prospect. Wish he'd stayed and played ahead of Robinson / Dantley, because I have a feeling that he would be in the top 2 or 3 on the list above if he'd been given the opportunity to play

Cody Catalina -- did he lift TOO many weights and grow out of the position? I had high hopes for Catalina. Injuries derailed his career, but I would have liked to see what he could do instead of Robinson / Dantley

So many bad memories on this list.

 

[orangeinjersey]

That list pretty much sums up why we have stunk for the past 15 years or so

 

[Toga]

You had to admire Nunes. He had some game. If he could have eliminated half of his What plays, I'd definitely agree with him at #2. If Dungey could end up in the top third of D-1 QBs, we could be on to something.

 

[Finwad32]

My eyes just started bleeding reading that list. Although, I'm not going to pin overall team success on just the QB.

Nassib was really good towards the end. If he had more touch in college, he could've had an even more ridiculous senior year.
Nunes/Anderson - serviceable guys
Paulus - given his situation performed alot better than he gets credit for. 4 years not throwing a ball and then playing mediocre football at the highest level, that's noteworthy. He gets alot of unjust hatred.
Patterson - I always hated that hitch in his giddyup.

Andrew Robinson - to this day I believe he could've been a very good quarterback. He was put in horrendous situations and I believe suffered a little of the David Carr syndrome. If your most vivid memory as a QB is of the Carrier Dome Roof, thing's can get difficult.

Everybody after really doesn't matter. I won't throw Hunt in because his story has yet to be fully written. How would we rate Nassib if his last year was his RJr season?

 

[Brian Orange]

How bad is it that I bet we'd all sign up for RJ Anderson right now? Either the make no mistakes game manager of 2001 or the pass threat of 2003?