Really don't understand all the whining

[CuseLegacy]

I've admitted I'm not a fan of Shafer. I don't really want him as our HC and I think he's JV level. So what? That's my opinion, I'm not attacking him as a man, I think he's a fantastic salt of the earth type guy.

I've also admitted I may be overly hard on this team and when asked about naming positive aspects posted a list of things I like about this team.

I'm capable of having a discussion. The pro-Shafer contingent won't accept anything less than unconditional support it seems.

You are entitled to your opinion but don't be surprised if others have one that differs from yours and become tired of you stating the same thing over and over and over again. The pro-Shafer folks, as you refer to them, are having a discussion and voicing their opinions. Perhaps it is only unconditional support in your view because it differs from your perspective.

 

[Finwad32]

I've admitted I'm not a fan of Shafer. I don't really want him as our HC and I think he's JV level. So what? That's my opinion, I'm not attacking him as a man, I think he's a fantastic salt of the earth type guy.

I've also admitted I may be overly hard on this team and when asked about naming positive aspects posted a list of things I like about this team.

I'm capable of having a discussion. The pro-Shafer contingent won't accept anything less than unconditional support it seems.

I disagree with the stance on the pro-Shafer contingent. How you feel about Shafer, whatever, that's your opinion. But making a blank statement about the rest of us is your crutch or built in argument.

Every time somebody challenges the anti-Shafer crowd they're homers, kool aid drinkers or incapable of rational discussion. That's the excuse.

The majority of posters here are very capable of discussion, pro or anti staff, it's the handful of crybabies, whine asses and 12 year olds that are inflammatory.

 

[cusefan88]

three more wins to go bowling. Just win 6, get that extra practice and improve!

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Win a game with a 5th string qb versus a decent football team. Yes a decent football team. Defense on the field the entire 2nd half sure played poorly but was asked to win game for most part. Not the first time a shafer/ bullough got lit up a bit

Time out was right call considering how disorganized they were and people complaining about pressers? Wow, just goes to show that some have an anti shafer agenda at this point and want to bang that drum whenever possible.

Get the win and move on, lucky to get it and nobody and I mean nobody has ever accused me of being a cotton candy and pony ride type guy when reviewing the sufootball ride, I am usually more critical than most but this shite is ridiculous.

Is Syracuse fans were in a forest and didn't complain, they wouldn't make a sound

 

[RICuse44]

Is Syracuse fans were in a forest and didn't complain, they wouldn't make a sound

But there are all those leaves to rake in the forest

 

[longislandcuse]

You are entitled to your opinion but don't be surprised if others have one that differs from yours and become tired of you stating the same thing over and over and over again. The pro-Shafer folks, as you refer to them, are having a discussion and voicing their opinions. Perhaps it is only unconditional support in your view because it differs from your perspective.

I'm totally fine with people who like him and think he's capable of bringing us back to relevance. I hope he does too!! I'd be so happy to admit I was wrong about him. That being said, I've had more than a couple posters challenge my Syracuse fandom because I've criticized this team, mainly Shafer, and I haven't called anyone names or insinuated they are homers or kool-aid drinkers...I hope Shafer turns these lemons into lemonade and I'll happily drink that **** with a smile on my face saying how wrong I was about him.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I'm totally fine with people who like him and think he's capable of bringing us back to relevance. I hope he does too!! I'd be so happy to admit I was wrong about him. That being said, I've had more than a couple posters challenge my Syracuse fandom because I've criticized this team, mainly Shafer, and I haven't called anyone names or insinuated they are homers or kook-aid drinkers...I hope Shafer turns these lemons into lemonade and I'll happily drink that **** with a smile on my face saying how wrong I was about him.

There are going to be extremes on every side in every discussion... that is just natural. I would just hope that we could be patient and see what happens this season.

And I will be happy to prepare that lemon cocktail for you .

 

[BORZAK]

Ok, I'll let you Shafer defenders do your thing because for all the anger you have for posters you don't agree with, it's getting a little ridiculous. "Go root for another team" is a phrase I've seen all over this messageboard. God forbid we have some constructive criticism. You're all mad and think we're being disrespectful yet y'all are the ones who can't handle a legit board discussion.

You might be happier choosing a top ten team to support. I believe a lot of the board would like that too. Or maybe remember coach Mac's view about good teams winning Ugly.

 

[Bayside44]

Coach P was a better coach with Graves and Soupy.

Shafer looks to be a far better coach with Dungey out there.

There seems to be a pattern.

Frankly if Long were ok we probably win going away as well..at some point there is going to be a dropoff, and Wilson was brought in by the last staff to back up a kid who is now WR at TCU.

UVa recruits everyone and barely beat William and Mary, who only can compete in cornhole.

 

[Cusefan78]

I'm not pro anyone. I'm pro Syracuse. Right now shafer is our guy and to me the upgrade in talent since he took over is huge. We have true freshman playing over marrones "big time recruits". We have not had a capable qb Come in and play as a freshman in a very long time. Look at the defensive line. The freshman are going to be very very good if they are given time. Look at ish, Franklin, Philips. There are major upgrades all over the field. You may not like shafer but he's busting his butt and upgrading the talent.

What's happens if shafer gets run out of town? we bring in another guy with little to no experience and we are back to three years ago. We need consistency to move forward. Has shafer made mistakes, yes. But he learns from them every game. Should he have called time out yesterday. Look at our players they were all over the place. The answer is yes he did the right thing. Should he have punted, yes. We are up by a td. Make them go the length of the field. This is basic football 101 stuff. All your complaints aren't valid right now. We are 3-0 and off to our best start in 20 years. Hate to break it to people but urban Meyer type coaches are not coming to Syracuse, never has and never will and find a coach like shafer that lives and breathes everything Syracuse are hard to come by. Get on board on a few years you're going to be glad you did.

 

[All4SU]

It's days like this that remind me why I stopped reading this board.

 

[TheCusian]

Stop it. My god are you incapable of analyzing the team objectively. 2014 our pass D was decent? Please define decent. I am capable of admiting when I am wrong as well as right. Why would I pack it up and quit? Who said just win with defense? I want to see a decent defense not the 2000 Baltimore Ravens.

Cmon. I'm way more objective.

We got better.

First 4 games of 2014: we gave up 1000 yds passing

Last 4 games of 2014: 650

I was poking fun at you deciding that CMU was the weakest team on the schedule and that we will struggle on D all season. That's not how this stuff works. Taking the past and applying it to all future games is not being objective.

 

[TheCusian]

The whining is because we thought we would be/should be/were further along than we are. The drop off between a Dungey led offense and anyone else was absolutely insane. I've never seen an offense go so far in the tank after losing their QB. I knew we'd struggle but that was some next level incompetentency. The defense got shredded by a MAC team. CMU may very well be decent but our defense looked completely overmatched and that's scary. Shafer continues to lead a team that is out of sorts all the time and I hated the punt. Some disagree and think it was a good idea. I knew CMU would move the ball and not surprisingly they did. We could have effectively locked it up if we get that one yard. For someone who reps "hard nosed", everything about him and his style is the opposite. Also, I live in SEC country now. It's glaring how JV our coaching staff, marketing department, atmosphere is. I know it takes time to rebuild but days like yesterday are hard to stomach.

Sounds like your priming yourself to be an SEC team fan.

 

[longislandcuse]

Sounds like your priming yourself to be an SEC team fan.

Never. Syracuse is in my blood. If I've remained a Buffalo Bills fan for this long, I sure as hell can deal with Syracuse Football.

 

[Crusty]

If long was healthy and could play the drop off isn't that much. Wilson doesn't fit lesters offense and I think the game moves to fast for him. If long was out there we still in by two touchdowns or more.

The drop off between Dungey and Long is gigantic. The drop off between Dungey and everyone else is gigantic.

 

[Scooch]

Yep, we're 3-0 and gutted out a win after that CMU schmuck tried to kill our QB. Sometimes you just gotta dig one out when things are going to hell. We've certainly seen our hoops team do that, playing down to an opponent and winning close and late. It's something that happens, better to be on the winning side.

It's astounding how reliant we are on the QB that half the board wanted to redshirt though. Just goes to show how important that position is.

I've come around on the TO, I was furious at the time but better to call it late than give up the easy completion. And IB's right, defense is a joke in all of college football. We make some stops and forces turnovers, that's the best you can hope for. Giving up 24 points in regulation should be enough to win 75% of games these days. As usual SU fans blame the wrong side of the ball.

My one point of disdain is not going for it on 4th and 1 late. When you have a dicey O and confidence in your D that is exactly the spot when you go for it. You'll never have your O in a more advantageous situation, and the D still had 60 yards to defend against the TD of you don't make it. SS works off the NFL Conventional Wisdom Playbook from 1972.

 

[Chip]

Yep, we're 3-0 and gutted out a win after that CMU schmuck tried to kill our QB. Sometimes you just gotta dig one out when things are going to hell. We've certainly seen our hoops team do that, playing down to an opponent and winning close and late. It's something that happens, better to be on the winning side. It's astounding how reliant we are on the QB that half the board wanted to redshirt though. Just goes to show how important that position is. I've come around on the TO, I was furious at the time but better to call it late than give up the easy completion. And IB's right, defense is a joke in all of college football. We make some stops and forces turnovers, that's the best you can hope for. Giving up 24 points in regulation should be enough to win 75% of games these days. As usual SU fans blame the wrong side of the ball. My one point of disdain is not going for it on 4th and 1 late. When you have a dicey O and confidence in your D that is exactly the spot when you go for it. You'll never have your O in a more advantageous situation, and the D still had 60 yards to defend against the TD of you don't make it. SS works off the NFL Conventional Wisdom Playbook from 1972.

The one thing on the 4th down. Lewis was really upset by the spot on his 3rd down catch. Shafer stood next to the ref hoping for and expecting a replay. But he didn't react well to not getting it. I thought he should have called the TO there. Then you have options. And you give the replay booth a little more time.

 

[orangechef]

The whining is because we thought we would be/should be/were further along than we are.

The drop off between a Dungey led offense and anyone else was absolutely insane. I've never seen an offense go so far in the tank after losing their QB. I knew we'd struggle but that was some next level incompetentency.

The defense got shredded by a MAC team. CMU may very well be decent but our defense looked completely overmatched and that's scary.

Shafer continues to lead a team that is out of sorts all the time and I hated the punt. Some disagree and think it was a good idea. I knew CMU would move the ball and not surprisingly they did. We could have effectively locked it up if we get that one yard. For someone who reps "hard nosed", everything about him and his style is the opposite.

Also, I live in SEC country now. It's glaring how JV our coaching staff, marketing department, atmosphere is. I know it takes time to rebuild but days like yesterday are hard to stomach.

lighten up Francis, we are 3-0!

 

[longislandcuse]

The drop off between Dungey and Long is gigantic. The drop off between Dungey and everyone else is gigantic.

At least Long has some swag, these other two were shook ones against CMU. I shutter to think of them going against LSU.

 

[Crusty]

At least Long has some swag, these other two were shook ones against CMU. I shutter to think of them going against LSU.

Swag? We're talking about swag?!

 

[alphaorange]

At least Long has some swag, these other two were shook ones against CMU. I shutter to think of them going against LSU.

You mean one of the guys that led us to the winning TD with a huge pass ion OT? Yep...he crumbled

 

[longislandcuse]

You mean one of the guys that led us to the winning TD with a huge pass ion OT? Yep...he crumbled

Ok... I appreciate your ultra-positive view of everything. That dump off pass for a TD after an entire half of futility was pretty sweet. I'm sure LSU won't force us to throw any passes over 10 yards.

 

[wfschrec]

Ok... I appreciate your ultra-positive view of everything. That dump off pass for a TD after an entire half of futility was pretty sweet. I'm sure LSU won't force us to throw any passes over 10 yards.

You must have missed the Chad Kelly gem that ended up being the difference against Bama ... I remember you saying in another thread something along the lines of turning in your season tix ... honestly I hope you do and you vacate this forum. You win and get the job done which is exactly what they did ... give it a rest already.

 

[omniorange]

I give SS credit for equaling last year's win total in 3 games. With that said I don't care about the offense not getting a single first down in the 2nd half with Dungey being taken out by a cheap shot.

Oh Lord Sorry, I just stopped caring about what you wrote after this statement. The whining about the d and the coaching staff after that is meaningless.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[TexanMark]

The one thing on the 4th down. Lewis was really upset by the spot on his 3rd down catch. Shafer stood next to the ref hoping for and expecting a replay. But he didn't react well to not getting it. I thought he should have called the TO there. Then you have options. And you give the replay booth a little more time.

I was down on the field...several times we got screwed by 18-36 inches. Were these MAC refs?