Red's Presser versus Wake

[McCuse]

I have no conflict on this one.

Pressers are cosmetic. Red can call out his players and lack of toughness a he wants, but it’s all on him.

He constructed the roster.
Hey set the tone.
He is the leader.
He had massively failed on getting through to anyone.

Other than Kingz and the enigma that is Freeman, every player regressed from start to finish. The team fell apart playing defense in some near historic way. Shot clock violations coming out of timeouts. Bizarre substitution patterns.

If there is a “Good Guy” Forum, happy to post wonderful platitudes about Autry there. But he is been an epic failure with the program I’ve been a lifetime fan of. His day of departure cannot come soon enough, and while it should all be done with respect, get him out.

Amen

 

[Millhouse]

He’s ruined my fandom. For me the teams have been unwatchable. I have checked out as a fan. I might dvr and catch last 2 minutes of a game, but that’s about it lately. It sucks. I used to love March, now I’m shining up my golf clubs getting ready for season

Oh come on
We are so spoiled by boeheim
Sometimes teams stink
They'll fire a bad coach and when they hire a good one, it'll all be fine

 

[Scooch]

Autry’s core problem was always getting his players to show up every game to play 40 mins. I call BS if anyone is gonna come in and say Autry and this staff showed up every game for 40 mins themselves.

The tape doesn’t lie. How many times have we seen them sleeping or clueless on the bench. If you’re Barnes or Self and got 40 years of coaching you can play it cool and be more relaxed. Autry can’t pull that off.

The staff is constantly unprepared. There was a moment way back in the Clemson game where they blew a challenge because Red and whatever staff guy had the iPad weren’t communicating.

A great coach would literally practice how they review a close call on the tablet and the process they’d deploy to challenge said call. I’m sure these guys have never done that. It’s a microcosm of everything wrong with this program’s coaching.

Unprepared and no attention to detail.

 

[AlaskaSU]

With some exceptions, the players are no where as good as we thought they were.

They are athletic but are not good at basketball.

 

[cali315phan]

This is a team that beat tennesse and went toe to toe with Houston. We far out talent wake forest and hofstra and Boston college and several other we've lost to. Whether that's x's and o's or not having grit from the players, it's coaching. When you have more talent, you need to win.

 

[rocklloyd]

Oh come on
We are so spoiled by boeheim
Sometimes teams stink
They'll fire a bad coach and when they hire a good one, it'll all be fine

Sure but not this year.

 

[AZOrange]

You're looking at last night. The poster you're responding to was speaking about the entire season.

Also the wake coach schemed Kyle out of the game. Watch the tape (don’t)…Kyle was either standing 25 feet from the basket or caught in switches with guards where he defended the shot and wakes rebounders came in behind him. If JJ, Donnie, nate(s) and the rest aren’t going to cover him it’s game over. A classic game to move to zone to counter but the wings didn’t cover the backside either.

I mean look we are a team that struggles to set picks and dribble handoffs, whose guards pick the ball up 25 feet from the hoop, that can’t remember time, score and situation and we expect them to execute sets?

 

[Jake]

I have no doubt that Red put his finger on the problem with this team. They lack intensity and toughness.

I do not think it’s a lack of talent.

Having said that, the real job of a head coach is to illicit peak performance from their players. And with that comes effort, intensity, and resilience.

A trademark going back to his first year, has been the fact that Reds teams seem to, at some point, just give up.

Some of that I believe is just red’s innate personality. It’s hard for him to be a bad guy. But it manifests in his reluctance to punish players for bad decisions and lack of hustle, by yanking them, explaining why he yanked them and then the letting them see what he wants.

 

[Trueblue25]

I have no doubt that Red put his finger on the problem with this team. They lack intensity and toughness.

I do not think it’s a lack of talent.

Having said that, the real job of a head coach is to illicit peak performance from their players. And with that comes effort, intensity, and resilience.

A trademark going back to his first year, has been the fact that Reds teams seem to, at some point, just give up.

Some of that I believe is just red’s innate personality. It’s hard for him to be a bad guy. But it manifests in his reluctance to punish players for bad decisions and lack of hustle, by yanking them, explaining why he yanked them and then the letting them see what he wants.

If you ask JB about his favorite personalities he’s coached, he’ll redirect the question to remind you that because you have to be tough on players to get the best out of them, you don’t end up making a lot of friends. Of course he has players he remembers, and who remember him fondly; but the point is by being everyones friend you’re not getting the best out of the team.

 

[AZOrange]

I have no doubt that Red put his finger on the problem with this team. They lack intensity and toughness.

I do not think it’s a lack of talent.

Having said that, the real job of a head coach is to illicit peak performance from their players. And with that comes effort, intensity, and resilience.

A trademark going back to his first year, has been the fact that Reds teams seem to, at some point, just give up.

Some of that I believe is just red’s innate personality. It’s hard for him to be a bad guy. But it manifests in his reluctance to punish players for bad decisions and lack of hustle, by yanking them, explaining why he yanked them and then the letting them see what he wants.

We gave up 32 points to a guy on 12 shots. A guy that had 10 points or less in like 7 of last 9 games. Until the very end he was perfect from 3 and perfect from line. And we still didn’t mark him with a defender!

 

[richmondcuse03]

If you ask JB about his favorite personalities he’s coached, he’ll redirect the question to remind you that because you have to be tough on players to get the best out of them, you don’t end up making a lot of friends. Of course he has players he remembers, and who remember him fondly; but the point is by being everyones friend you’re not getting the best out of the team.

Which is also why I’m terrified about Hopkins.

 

[sufandu]

Indeed.

Any upper level hiring type manager, etc. worth one's salt knows this. And, it's why I place my, let's just say, frustration, far more with the powers that be here than Red. Red bleeds Orange through and through as a past solid player, alum, assistant coach, etc. Good leadership/management is generally well aware of one's "Seat On The Bus," and Red's isn't/wasnt' that of a P4 HC. It's they who've failed much more miserably than Red.

I reckon it's not all that surprising though due to SU's history, track record, etc. Look at all of the speculation, etc. present in the 'Coach Search After Autry' thread. An apparent cherade going on with them brass folk behind the scenes.

It's fair to place blame on the powers that be, but you see poor coaching hires everywhere in major sports. UNC hired Matt Doherty. Indiana has rarely gotten it right post Knight. UCLA has had their share of duds. There are a ton of examples. What's important is that you don't have a string of those. The next hire is probably more important than the previous one.

 

[Dcuse]

Ah. Good point; SU should just save some money and not even worry about hiring a HC.

We don't need the right coach, just the right players with the proper internal drive!

Or they could hire you.You sound like a miracle working rah rah guy.

 

[Red Holzman]

First few games the D was tenacious -fun to watch.
These players are capable of playing with heart and fire.
IDK what happened to end "Level 5" effort.

 

[OCESIP]

If you ask JB about his favorite personalities he’s coached, he’ll redirect the question to remind you that because you have to be tough on players to get the best out of them, you don’t end up making a lot of friends. Of course he has players he remembers, and who remember him fondly; but the point is by being everyones friend you’re not getting the best out of the team.

You're correct, but the current environment that has players moving on if they don't like their current environment just wouldn't work for JB's style. NIL, portal, and constant turn over year after year drove many older coaches out of the business (with a few exceptions).

Getting players to buy in to a demanding system requires a coach who is respected. That respect generally comes with
1) a record of winning, and 2) a record that demonstrates a high level of player development for the next level. Even meeting those objectives is no guarantee that you don't have to rebuild your roster year after year. Add the $$ element to the equation and it's a circus that has made college athletics a challenge for the faint hearted fan, and a nightmare for coaches.

 

[jdubs30]

Maybe it’s just me but didn’t Red praise how tough this team was all year?

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Or they could hire you.You sound like a miracle working rah rah guy.

Sorry, I'm locked down with another project locally. In all seriousness, I'd love to share it with you and anyone else interested in CNY. Stakeholders from ESF and SU are involved. We can disagree here and still do some good things together in the community that I have a feeling most everyone here loves.

 

[LarryC44]

The thing I don't get about Autry is his refusal to bench guys that are not following directives, playing defense and/or hustling. If they knew they would get yanked for these things they would change their ways. There's a bunch of guys on the bench that would love the playing time.

It's not like you're winning with the guys that have been playing a lot, so what's the difference?

 

[AZOrange]

The thing I don't get about Autry is his refusal to bench guys that are not following directives, playing defense and/or hustling. If they knew they would get yanked for these things they would change their ways. There's a bunch of guys on the bench that would love the playing time.

It's not like you're winning with the guys that have been playing a lot, so what's the difference?

It’s much easier to bench guys after they score 10 straight points

 

[RyanCuse44]

It’s much easier to bench guys after they score 10 straight points

I still can't believe one beat writer who goes to these pressers hasn't asked why he takes out guy(s) when there cooking and it's not like it's only been a few times this year, it's been many and Saturday was another prime example. Dude has no feel for the game.

 

[AZOrange]

I still can't believe one beat writer who goes to these pressers hasn't asked why he takes out guy(s) when there cooking and it's not like it's only been a few times this year, it's been many and Saturday was another prime example. Dude has no feel for the game.

Not only does he sit them down on the bench, but he sits them down for 8 to 10 minutes on the bench. Just enough to really cool off.

 

[Scooch]

Not only does he sit them down on the bench, but he sits them down for 8 to 10 minutes on the bench. Just enough to really cool off.

I generally avoid criticizing in-game coaching decisions. It seems so cliche, and most of the time there are perfectly legitimate reasons why a coach does what he does. It's just that sometimes the outcome isn't good, so people second guess.

However, Red's substitution patterns deserve so very much MORE scorn than they've received. It should be a topic after every, single game.

I can't recall a single conference game this season where he rode a hot hand and gave a guy bigger minutes because of it. JB would do that all the time.

Saturday I flipped on the game in the 2nd half and saw that White had 12 points on 8 shots. He was on the floor. Then 30 seconds later there was a time out, White was pulled, and didn't play again for the last 12+ minutes of the game. It was insane.

It's mind blowing how utterly inept Red is at optimizing his lineup in real time.

 

[MikeSU02]

I generally avoid criticizing in-game coaching decisions. It seems so cliche, and most of the time there are perfectly legitimate reasons why a coach does what he does. It's just that sometimes the outcome isn't good, so people second guess.

However, Red's substitution patterns deserve so very much MORE scorn than they've received. It should be a topic after every, single game.

I can't recall a single conference game this season where he rode a hot hand and gave a guy bigger minutes because of it. JB would do that all the time.

Saturday I flipped on the game in the 2nd half and saw that White had 12 points on 8 shots. He was on the floor. Then 30 seconds later there was a time out, White was pulled, and didn't play again for the last 12+ minutes of the game. It was insane.

It's mind blowing how utterly inept Red is at optimizing his lineup in real time.

His sub pattern is NBA-esque and it's like it was negotiated with the players prior to the season (KD, for instance, is very particular on when he goes in/out of games in the NBA).

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Oh come on
We are so spoiled by boeheim
Sometimes teams stink
They'll fire a bad coach and when they hire a good one, it'll all be fine

If they hire a good one. If.