Replay Watch - FSU

[dollarbill44]

People always worry about the laces.. has anyone actually proven it has any effect on a fball these days? This isnt the fball of the 60s we are trying to kick.

much like they say dont dive to first base when that has been proven wrong.

As long as there are laces on a football, the surface will be raised vs the rest of the ball. If you don't believe me, go to and pick up an official football and feel the difference in the surface.
You could also ask a kicker. They don't always miss when they kick the laces, but the ball travels differently, which increases the probability of a miss.

 

[javadoc]

As long as there are laces on a football, the surface will be raised vs the rest of the ball. If you don't believe me, go to and pick up an official football and feel the difference in the surface.
You could also ask a kicker. They don't always miss when they kick the laces, but the ball travels differently, which increases the probability of a miss.

Don’t punters drop the ball with laces up?

The laces exist because there is a seam in the sheath. If you kick that seam you are going to lose energy to the proximate deformation in the seam. I don’t know how much, but the collision will be less elastic than it would be on the opposite side of the ball.

 

[JKinPhilly]

As long as there are laces on a football, the surface will be raised vs the rest of the ball. If you don't believe me, go to and pick up an official football and feel the difference in the surface.
You could also ask a kicker. They don't always miss when they kick the laces, but the ball travels differently, which increases the probability of a miss.

It's a freaking extra point...laces in or out shouldn't matter

 

[dollarbill44]

It's a freaking extra point...laces in or out shouldn't matter

Physics matters. It ain't Madden, it's real life.

 

[RandomGuy]

 

[upperdeck]

Physics matters. It ain't Madden, it's real life.

maybe laces do matter. maybe it causes the ball to go further or shorter or left or right. but you see kicks every week where laces are not spun away and the kicks go right down the middle..

if the laces have an effect then the kick would fall short or the kick would go left or right as it moves to the posts.. the laces would have no effect on the initial direction of the kick,

this was just a bad kick.. as was the 2nd that almost missed in the other direction.

like a golf ball where the initial direction is derived from the path of the club and squareness of the club face and the much later in the flight the spin will take over.


now some people claim that it could mess with a kickers concentration and attack point.. if thats true than practice with laces i guess..

 

[DCUNITED13]

The play-calling and refereeing were troublesome, but to me, special teams, penalties are the root of our problems. First and foremost our All American (former) kicker is shanking kickoffs out of bounds, missing PAT's and short FG's, punters putting other team with more shanks and unsportsmanlike penalties. These 4-5 things not happen we win FSU. We win Rutgers as well to be honest. The coverage in special teams is good/outstanding, its the kicking game that is killing us. Penalties (outside of offensive holding that happens on all plays) are the next thing. I'll add Dino's time mangement and What his assistants were doing in not letting him know. This was 4th game of the season and I have seen Dino frack up time management for his 5 years here. You would think they could address this with a graduate assistant coach who does nothing but view that to help out.

Again, kicking game and special teams will need to be excellent for the remainder of the season for us to even have a SNIFF of a 6-6 season.

 

[WarmWeather]

Might add that Pena has had a number of excellent returns.

 

[dollarbill44]

maybe laces do matter. maybe it causes the ball to go further or shorter or left or right. but you see kicks every week where laces are not spun away and the kicks go right down the middle..

if the laces have an effect then the kick would fall short or the kick would go left or right as it moves to the posts.. the laces would have no effect on the initial direction of the kick,

this was just a bad kick.. as was the 2nd that almost missed in the other direction.

like a golf ball where the initial direction is derived from the path of the club and squareness of the club face and the much later in the flight the spin will take over.


now some people claim that it could mess with a kickers concentration and attack point.. if thats true than practice with laces i guess..

I will say it again - ask a KICkER. I knew a kicker pretty well back in the day, a lot of people on here would know the name immediately (not Dave Jacobs - a decent #of years after). My place kicking knowledge comes from him.
I'm done with this one topic. I'm still kind of dumbfounded this is even an argument.

 

[Deleted member 8116]

Yup. Ray Finkle went off the deep end

Finkle is Einhorn, Einhorn is Finkle. Einhorn is a man!!

 

[PhatOrange]

Might add that Pena has had a number of excellent returns.

Pena had his best 'specials' game of the season. Good bounce back for him after being replaced last week.