Rickie Collins

[GoSU96]

Not disagreeing but "Angeli won the job in the fall simply because of his experience and leadership" is not really the case - I think we would all agree that Angeli is far more talented QB than Rickie or just about any QB in college - he was starting to look on par with McCord

Talented or ready?

Sounds like Collins is at least as athletic, just not as polished. Accuracy could be an issue and processing.

 

[All4SU]

Maybe not always correct, but there is a reason why the majority of coaches defer. 93% of NFL teams will defer. "There is statistical evidence to support that deferring to start the second half results, on average, in an extra point on the scoreboard and a 12% chance of stealing a possession." Sharp

Of course there are reasons why some teams take the ball first. I'm not saying that's a good or bad thing. But, there is slight statistical advantage to support why most teams defer.

Stats are great. But I admit I don’t understand how deferring has a greater chance of getting an extra possession.

 

[GoSU96]

He was extremely close to winning the job. Not sure how you feel about him or if you have had a chance to watch him practice but he has loads of talent. Hes just not as polished as Steve at this point. My only concern with him is that he is prone to forcing the ball.

Saturday Gill and JRS will have 4 - 6 inch height advantage across the board. They have a 6-3 safety, everyone else that plays is sub 6 ft.

 

[MGraves5]

He was extremely close to winning the job. Not sure how you feel about him or if you have had a chance to watch him practice but he has loads of talent. Hes just not as polished as Steve at this point. My only concern with him is that he is prone to forcing the ball.

Is he a running threat? I just read an article about how we will be seeing alot more designed QB runs with Collins, but I thought I had heard and I think even Coach Fran said he's not really a running QB?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

From what Fran said in recent interview, Rickie and Steve have been joined at the hip in the training and film rooms and have become really good friends... I'm half expecting Steve on the sideline with a headset, tablet with stylus, etc. talking to Rickie in-between drives and feeding info back to Nixon and staff.

Also, confirmed nickname for Rickie with the team is "Slick Rick".

Angeli gonna be all Lance Harbor on the sidelines.

 

[23Zone]

Stats are great. But I admit I don’t understand how deferring has a greater chance of getting an extra possession.

When deferring possession to the second half, you have the chance of getting the ball twice in a row. End of first half and then to start the second half. That is not a possibility if you elect to receive to start the game. That is why it is statistical advantage to defer and elect to receive to start second half.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

When deferring possession to the second half, you have the chance of getting the ball twice in a row. End of first half and then to start the second half. That is not a possibility if you elect to receive to start the game. That is why it is statistical advantage to defer and elect to receive to start second half.

Boooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.

You know what's not boring?

Taking the ball and jamming it down your opponent's throat, whilst crossing the goal line of course.

 

[23Zone]

Boooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.

You know what's not boring?

Taking the ball and jamming it down your opponent's throat, whilst crossing the goal line of course.

Statistical analysis can be boring you are right about that. Personally I think getting the ball twice in a row is exciting but that's just me.

 

[Cuse On 3]

Saturday Gill and JRS will have 4 - 6 inch height advantage across the board. They have a 6-3 safety, everyone else that plays is sub 6 ft.

Thanks SU96, great observation and statistic here, this should give Rickie a significant advantage. All he needs to do is drop back. Try not to overthink, and confidently let it rip. Way easier said then done but gill & jrs will help Slick Rick out.

 

[tbonezone]

or Dan Villari if it comes to it.

sorry but really , really don't want to see that show again

 

[upperdeck]

When deferring possession to the second half, you have the chance of getting the ball twice in a row. End of first half and then to start the second half. That is not a possibility if you elect to receive to start the game. That is why it is statistical advantage to defer and elect to receive to start second half.

Yea But how often does it come to fruition? Say its 10% of the time. Is that also across all games, across all games at home, across games of teams of equal ability.

Then add it what happens when the team that gets the ball first scores, because many stats also show first team to score wins?

then remove the crazy weather games as well, games where one team builds a lead.

hard to find an stats on what the value is, Sure the scoring twice thing is some value, but so is the energy off who scores last in the half.

 

[GoSU96]

Thanks SU96, great observation and statistic here, this should give Rickie a significant advantage. All he needs to do is drop back. Try not to overthink, and confidently let it rip. Way easier said then done but gill & jrs will help Slick Rick out.

Who is SU96?

 

[SuFTW]

Oh

Who is SU96?

Oh, Go on.

 

[CbusCuse]

When deferring possession to the second half, you have the chance of getting the ball twice in a row. End of first half and then to start the second half. That is not a possibility if you elect to receive to start the game. That is why it is statistical advantage to defer and elect to receive to start second half.

This doesn't make logical sense to me. It doesn't matter if you have the ball twice in a row, to end the first half and to start the second. Your reasoning doesn't make sense. Yes if you took the ball in the first half and also got the last drive in the first half you have one an extra possession that half. But that doesn't always happen. The same thing happens in the second half. What matters is the total possessions. One team gets the ball to start one half and the other gets to start the other half. Theoretically that should be the same number of possessions per team.

The question is, in what half do you want it to be more likely you get an extra possession? Or do you want to score first, causing the other team to play catch up and possibly pass more. Or do you want to see how things play out, get the ball first in the second half to answer what happened in the first half? Or maybe you want to be able to make some adjustments after half time and maximize possessions in the second half. Or maybe you feel really good about the game plan going in, and want to maximize possessions in the first half before the other teams adjusts.

I think it depends a little on what you are feeling for that particular game. I like changing it based on the specific game situation.

 

[tbonezone]

no starting coin toss ever decided any game. overtime...that's a different story.

 

[721Comstock]

Who is SU96?

Why is SU96?

 

[All4SU]

When deferring possession to the second half, you have the chance of getting the ball twice in a row. End of first half and then to start the second half. That is not a possibility if you elect to receive to start the game. That is why it is statistical advantage to defer and elect to receive to start second half.

Right. Except doesn’t taking the ball first give you at least a better chance of having one more possession than the opposition?

 

[Marroniac]

When deferring possession to the second half, you have the chance of getting the ball twice in a row. End of first half and then to start the second half. That is not a possibility if you elect to receive to start the game. That is why it is statistical advantage to defer and elect to receive to start second half.

But if you get the ball first and score a touchdown then do an onside kick and kick a field goal you’re up 10-0 right away and end up whooping Clemson’s butt.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

But if you get the ball first and score a touchdown then do an onside kick and kick a field goal you’re up 10-0 right away and end up kicking Clemson right in the dick.

fify

 

[Jake]

I actually feel really confident that Nixon will call plays to maximize Collins ability. I expect to see some easy throws early to settle him down and eventually some play action deep shots. I also expect to see the return of the RB screen game.

Obviously, We need to establish the run with Willis and (I can’t believe I’m going to type this) if the OL can dominate the LOS like we did against Clemson, we’ll be fine.

I think Fran is going to lean on his receivers to make plays and have Collins throw some “go get em” balls.

Defensively we need to get pressure and not allow their QB to get time to throw. Our DBs really need to step up.

 

[23Zone]

But if you get the ball first and score a touchdown then do an onside kick and kick a field goal you’re up 10-0 right away and end up whooping Clemson’s butt.

There's that too lol

 

[baggerbob]

Statistical analysis can be boring you are right about that. Personally I think getting the ball twice in a row is exciting but that's just me.

I would rather take the ball run 5 minutes of the clock score . Then kickoff, get a 3 and out get the ball run another 5 minutes off the clock and score again . As long as both are Touchdowns you are up 14pts in the 1st quarter.

 

[Sudano]

I will support our starting qb whether it is Rickie, Carney or Jakhari.
Give Rickie a chance and give Fran and Nixon time to game plan for him.

This isn’t grade school. We all support Ricky Collins. By mentioning some of our concerns and observations doesn’t negate our support for him or Syracuse football

 

[FloridaCuse]

 

[CbusCuse]

I actually feel really confident that Nixon will call plays to maximize Collins ability. I expect to see some easy throws early to settle him down and eventually some play action deep shots. I also expect to see the return of the RB screen game.

Obviously, We need to establish the run with Willis and (I can’t believe I’m going to type this) if the OL can dominate the LOS like we did against Clemson, we’ll be fine.

I think Fran is going to lean on his receivers to make plays and have Collins throw some “go get em” balls.

Defensively we need to get pressure and not allow their QB to get time to throw. Our DBs really need to step up.

Agree. Duke has been susceptible to getting beat in the passing game so we need to take advantage of that.

I also want to add that our pass rushers that do get in for a hurry on Mensah, also need to be able to make a tackle. They need to come in under control, break down a bit and not let every QB side step the sack and get away. We have 4 sacks total in 4 games which is unacceptable. I feel like we have had at least 2 other times a game where we were there for a sack but couldn't finish the play and make the tackle.