Roster Areas of Concern

[Czar]

Don't forget, depending on what happens with his transfer status, we could have John Raymon at DE. That would help quite a bit.

 

[PhatOrange]

That means that we have 40 players with at least 2 years in the program, which is pretty much the split between older and younger players that you want to carry on the roster every year, is it not?

no that's not true. None of those 40 have had 2 years in the program. the true frosh have no years in the program and the other kids have had 1 spring and are just starting their 2nd camp (year).

I really don't have any idea what the ideal class/experience/playing time roster should look like, but it's widely believed the best teams have the most upperclassman - probably defined by 3rd/4th year juniors and 4th/5th year seniors.

 

[All4SU]

It's no doubt been an upgrade. The kids are bigger phsyically and faster. On paper they are bigger although bees will ask me If I measured them and time them.

Since I didn't, even deducting 1 inch of height off every recruit’s listed height we’ve only brought in 15 kids out of 83 who are under 6-0 tall.

And if all recruiting info is suspect, then the faulty data of today can with some accuracy be compared to the faulty data of 4 years ago.

 

[dollarbill44]

no that's not true. None of those 40 have had 2 years in the program. the true frosh have no years in the program and the other kids have had 1 spring and are just starting their 2nd camp (year).

I really don't have any idea what the ideal class/experience/playing time roster should look like, but it's widely believed the best teams have the most upperclassman - probably defined by 3rd/4th year juniors and 4th/5th year seniors.

If 43 out of 83 are True Freshmen, RS Freshmen and Sophomores, that means that 40 are RS Sophs and up (83-43=40). I would imagine you would want to graduate 21-22 scholarship players per year so as not to have to completely rebuild every 3-4 years.

 

[rrlbees]

And of those 83 players how many are underclassmen? True freshman, redshirt freshman or true sophomores? I count 43. It's inexperienced depth is what it is.

Thats how it is always going to be. We're never going to have 83 Jrs and Srs. We also are never going to have all Jrs and Srs filling ST roles because many of them become starters (for the folks that don't want starters playing on ST's).

 

[upperdeck]

a couple ways to fill out the rosters. the bigger/better you are the faster you can churn the roster. we need the s&c to compete so less come in ready, if you bring in 20 and only 5-10 can play as true freshmen that also means several will take 2-3 years to be ready, add in the injuries and we will always be hoping to have 60 to play.

 

[PhatOrange]

The problem is we have an inordinate number of kids who've played as true freshman rather than redshirting kids and giving them an extra year of S&C, development and physical maturity.

We have 12 juniors who are just entering their 3rd year in the program rather than their 4th year. You can't have upperclass number that out of whack. We played 15 true freshman that year.

You also can't have more underclassmen on the 2 deep than upperclassmen. This year should start to reverse the trend and get back to normal.

2011 - 14 kids redshirted
2010 - 6 redshirts
2009 - 6 redshirts
2012 - 5 fith year seniors plus one juco

 

[PhatOrange]

2013, next year if everything holds:

19 to 21 seniors

15 to 17 juniors

14 sophomores (doesn't count true frosh who play this year)

 

[jekelish]

Going back to depth concerns at LB, just curious, is there any chance Myles Davis gets switched back over there, since that's where we recruited him? Does he lack the speed? Because he certainly has great size for the position.

 

[RF2044]

Going back to depth concerns at LB, just curious, is there any chance Myles Davis gets switched back over there, since that's where we recruited him? Does he lack the speed? Because he certainly has great size for the position.

I'm not sure that I resonate with the lack of depth concerns at LB.

I think most people agree that our top three are probably Spruill, Davis, and Lynch. That doesn't include Vaughn, who was one of our top tacklers last season and a returning starter. Diabate [sp] played last season. Oliver Vigille is a good looking prospect. A rotation of those six would be more than sufficient.

Two other things to keep in mind: generally speaking, you don't play as many LBs as you might other positions. Situation rotations--sure, but it is not like we need 6-7 LBs playing every game. Especially when we play some with a SS at a pseudo-linebacker position.

And beyond those guys, we still have players like Coker, Washington, the walk on [Don--not sure of how to spell his last name]. We've got commitments from two solid prospects who will be entering the program next year, and a player like Mungwa could also end up at LB down the road.

I think that depth at LB is going to be just fine, this year and in the forseeable future, since our starters are all going to return next year. At least that's how I see it.

 

[Cuseman78]

I'm not sure that I resonate with the lack of depth concerns at LB.

I think most people agree that our top three are probably Spruill, Davis, and Lynch. That doesn't include Vaughn, who was one of our top tacklers last season and a returning starter. Diabate [sp] played last season. Oliver Vigille is a good looking prospect. A rotation of those five would be more than sufficient.

Two other things to keep in mind: generally speaking, you don't play as many LBs as you might other positions. Situation rotations--sure, but it is not like we need 6-7 LBs playing every game. Especially when we play some with a SS at a pseudo-linebacker position.

And beyond those guys, we still have players like Coker, Washington, the walk on [Don--not sure of how to spell his last name].

I think that depth at LB is going to be just fine, this year and in the forseeable future, since our starters are all going to return next year. At least that's how I see it.

I'm with you on this. There are certainly depth concerns at other positions (i.e DE, OL, maybe WR), but I'm pretty bullish about our LB corps going into the year. Like you said, even if there were major injuries, we have Vaughn, Diabate as experienced back-ups. Even Dom Anene played well in the spring.

 

[rrlbees]

I'm not sure that I resonate with the lack of depth concerns at LB.

I think most people agree that our top three are probably Spruill, Davis, and Lynch. That doesn't include Vaughn, who was one of our top tacklers last season and a returning starter. Diabate [sp] played last season. Oliver Vigille is a good looking prospect. A rotation of those six would be more than sufficient.

Two other things to keep in mind: generally speaking, you don't play as many LBs as you might other positions. Situation rotations--sure, but it is not like we need 6-7 LBs playing every game. Especially when we play some with a SS at a pseudo-linebacker position.

And beyond those guys, we still have players like Coker, Washington, the walk on [Don--not sure of how to spell his last name]. We've got commitments from two solid prospects who will be entering the program next year, and a player like Mungwa could also end up at LB down the road.

I think that depth at LB is going to be just fine, this year and in the forseeable future, since our starters are all going to return next year. At least that's how I see it.

I agree. We have plenty if depth and decent depth ar LB. People are over playing that. Now if they actually produce is another thing. I think they will.

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[RF2044]

1. DE - The news that Pierce-Brewster was still on the outside looking in makes the biggest problem area an even bigger concern. While the interior defense has 10 scholarship players there are four DE's that I know about. This is purely my speculation but maybe Bromley and Coleman can be moved over to add depth and size to that position.

Go--can you summarize what you've heard about MPB, because I haven't seen anything about him in the articles OE posts [admittedly, I may have missed something].

Thanks in advance.

 

[PhatOrange]

Go--can you summarize what you've heard about MPB, because I haven't seen anything about him in the articles OE posts [admittedly, I may have missed something].

Thanks in advance.

Marrone said it in the Ax podcast. Basically listed all the jucos and George Morris as still needing to clear admissions.