Roster & Needs As Of April 14...

[FireballPhil]

How are we going to field a team next year with only 7 players?

I feel like we need more players on our basketball team in order to compete with Boston College and Pitt.

Walk ons rule.

 

[IthacaMatt]

i wouldnt say tobiason and 3m are role or complimentary players.

Yeah, but who is our go-to guy? Tobiason is probably the only one you can count on right now. I don't think we have nearly enough offense.

 

[AncientOwl]

For the people excited about this roster - please go through the committed players, take a guess at their points per game, and then see what it all adds up to. For me it was 71. Which would have been third worst in the ACC last season. How are we going to get to the 80+ we would need to average to be a top team? We are still an impact point guard away on offense it seems to me.

 

[chadvader]

For the people excited about this roster - please go through the committed players, take a guess at their points per game, and then see what it all adds up to. For me it was 71. Which would have been third worst in the ACC last season. How are we going to get to the 80+ we would need to average to be a top team? We are still an impact point guard away on offense it seems to me.

That is a very weird way to look at a roster. Points scored at other locations and add together?

 

[McCuse]

For the people excited about this roster - please go through the committed players, take a guess at their points per game, and then see what it all adds up to. For me it was 71. Which would have been third worst in the ACC last season. How are we going to get to the 80+ we would need to average to be a top team? We are still an impact point guard away on offense it seems to me.

They have multiple defensive conference players of the year so far. So it looks like the staff is going for a more Houston style of team. Which hopefully wins as lot of games 71-62. They are not done yet as well.

 

[Rufus_13th]

For the people excited about this roster - please go through the committed players, take a guess at their points per game, and then see what it all adds up to. For me it was 71. Which would have been third worst in the ACC last season. How are we going to get to the 80+ we would need to average to be a top team? We are still an impact point guard away on offense it seems to me.

Not counting any freshman and taking last year's stats, The seven players totaled on average 184 mins and 76.2 average pts. If they can get 5 pts/game from 16 mins/game from the freshman or additional time upperclassmen gets, this isn't too bad. (Rebounds in 184mins/game were only 32.9)

 

[AncientOwl]

That is a very weird way to look at a roster. Points scored at other locations and add together?

How many points you can score is a weird way to look at a roster? I wasn't suggesting looking at what they did before, but trying to project what they will do. For example, Sadiq was a 10ppg player in my estimate. The team is going to need MMM to be a 15+ppg scorer on his first day.

 

[AncientOwl]

Not counting any freshman and taking last year's stats, The seven players totaled on average 184 mins and 76.2 average pts. If they can get 5 pts/game from 16 mins/game from the freshman or additional time upperclassmen gets, this isn't too bad. (Rebounds in 184mins/game were only 32.9)

I wasn't trying to look at what they did before. With the step up in competition, almost all of them will take a step backwards.

I was looking at all 10 players currently committed, and I just can't see how they can score enough. Even Houston averaged over 76 a game, with good efficiency at their slower pace.

 

[RedtheGOB]

How many points you can score is a weird way to look at a roster? I wasn't suggesting looking at what they did before, but trying to project what they will do. For example, Sadiq was a 10ppg player in my estimate. The team is going to need MMM to be a 15+ppg scorer on his first day.

Have you taken how many minutes a game they played last year and what they will this year into account

 

[rrlbees]

How many points you can score is a weird way to look at a roster? I wasn't suggesting looking at what they did before, but trying to project what they will do. For example, Sadiq was a 10ppg player in my estimate. The team is going to need MMM to be a 15+ppg scorer on his first day.

i did a player by player projection. added them together and i get 106ppg.

 

[chadvader]

How many points you can score is a weird way to look at a roster? I wasn't suggesting looking at what they did before, but trying to project what they will do. For example, Sadiq was a 10ppg player in my estimate. The team is going to need MMM to be a 15+ppg scorer on his first day.

Ok I misunderstood what you were doing. That makes more sense.

 

[AncientOwl]

i did a player by player projection. added them together and i get 106ppg.

Please share, I would love to see this and feel better.

Here is how I got to 71:

Tobiason - 12
Doty - 10
MMM - 10
White - 10
Anthony - 10
Wilson - 7
Dual - 6
Goodrick - 3
Siby - 2
Moesch - 1

 

[2B20Again]

Have you taken how many minutes a game they played last year and what they will this year into account

I would hope with the D I expect therm to play they should be able to score 6-8 pts on breaks, and at least 10 more points per game from th FT line, more offensive rebounds. so maybe 74-79 a game. I left out not counting MMM pretty much most of the other guys are in the low 30% from 3 as opposed to last years guy except Kingz. All others were streaky at best. I also expect Kayian to shoot much better FT and 3P
My take probably wrong but that’s how I feel. GMAc will have these guys up and glad to be playing as opposed to walking around like children of the dammed.

 

[rrlbees]

Please share, I would love to see this and feel better.

Here is how I got to 71:

Tobiason - 12
Doty - 10
MMM - 10
White - 10
Anthony - 10
Wilson - 7
Dual - 6
Goodrick - 3
Siby - 2
Moesch - 1

well, i wasn't serious, thus the smiley face. but looking at your breakdown, i think you're 2-3 ppg short for tobiason, mmm, siby, and maybe even 1-2 short on doty, white and anthony. i could argue for an additional 10ppg.

 

[AncientOwl]

well, i wasn't serious, thus the smiley face. but looking at your breakdown, i think you're 2-3 ppg short for tobiason, mmm, siby, and maybe even 1-2 short on doty, white and anthony. i could argue for an additional 10ppg.

The history of transfers says Tobiason is going to take a step back moving from the American to the ACC. Even Lendeborg went from 17.7 to 15.1 when he left the American.

Who knows about the Euro guys. They are definitely the biggest wildcards.

 

[Scotch]

The history of transfers says Tobiason is going to take a step back moving from the American to the ACC. Even Lendeborg went from 17.7 to 15.1 when he left the American.

Who knows about the Euro guys. They are definitely the biggest wildcards.

This isn’t a productive exercise. You’re trying to simplify 40 variables into a single number.

 

[Knicks411]

Im definitely more on the underwhelmed side. Seems like we moved pretty quickly from gmac is going to have a huge amount of money to spend to well maybe these guys from the lower levels will all be really good. They might! But I dunno

 

[Orangezoo]

Im definitely more on the underwhelmed side. Seems like we moved pretty quickly from gmac is going to have a huge amount of money to spend to well maybe these guys from the lower levels will all be really good. They might! But I dunno

I would just point you to Providence who I would imagine it seems has done the opposite making a big splash. Then look under the hood a bit and that splash is loaded with inefficient players who don’t make sense together and then now 3 P5 players who underwhelmed at their previous stop. Their rankings make them look like they have hit a home run on paper. Then their true prize Dink Pate shot 36 pct overall and 29 pct from 3 with 4.9 assists to 3.8 turnovers at westchester with a TS pct of 50.9.

Just looking now but including Pate they are adding 5 players with a TS pct of 50. Then a big man at 59 pct, a guard at 56 pct and another at 54 pct plus a backup big man at 58 pct. Their best add shooting wise will be Sabol from UB who is an awful defender and won’t start. BH preached analytics and the right shots at USF when interviewed then goes to PC and puts together one of what looks like the least efficient shooting teams you possibly could.

 

[Knicks411]

I would just point you to Providence who I would imagine it seems has done the opposite making a big splash. Then look under the hood a bit and that splash is loaded with inefficient players who don’t make sense together and then now 3 P5 players who underwhelmed at their previous stop. Their rankings make them look like they have hit a home run on paper. Then their true prize Dink Pate shot 36 pct overall and 29 pct from 3 with 4.9 assists to 3.8 turnovers at westchester with a TS pct of 50.9.

Yeah maybe. It just seems to me like now we’re getting a lot of faith in Gerry sprinkling some magic pixie dust on everyone and making them all 40% better.

For dink pate; where are you getting those stats? Basketball reference shows him with a 56% true shooting for Westchester last year.

 

[CbusCuse]

The history of transfers says Tobiason is going to take a step back moving from the American to the ACC. Even Lendeborg went from 17.7 to 15.1 when he left the American.

Who knows about the Euro guys. They are definitely the biggest wildcards.

Yeah I would think Tobiason's pts/game is likely to drop a tad. Also don't think he will be playing 35.3 min/game like he did at Temple. But one other thing is a lot of our adds were just Sophomores last year, their should be a solid jump in improvement as juniors. But the jump in conference likely offsets that.

A lot of these pts/game depend on who gets what minutes.

 

[Orangezoo]

Yeah maybe. It just seems to me like now we’re getting a lot of faith in Gerry sprinkling some magic pixie dust on everyone and making them all 40% better.

For dink pate; where are you getting those stats? Basketball reference shows him with a 56% true shooting for Westchester last year.

Dink Pate

Dink Pate Official NBA G League Stats, Player Logs, Boxscores, Shotcharts and Videos

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It’s his 25-26 stats. Also I updated my post. PC is loading up with poor shooters. Adding Mack to that mix is just wild.

With what Gerry is putting together you have to look under the hood a bit more. I’m not promising miracles or anything just saying portal rankings can be deceiving and based on class ranking it looks like BH is doing great but both NW kids are questionable adds, Byrd is overrated and a non factor on offense and Vanterpool is their best add and his numbers are good not great and that’s in the American where Tobiason was at/over 60 pct TS pct.

it was made clear how frustrating we were leaning on a guy like JJ at 50 pct TS, then the guy so many (raises hand) wanted as our coach is bringing a bunch of guys who shoot like JJ did and only a couple that were better.

 

[dollarbill44]

Please share, I would love to see this and feel better.

Here is how I got to 71:

Tobiason - 12
Doty - 10
MMM - 10
White - 10
Anthony - 10
Wilson - 7
Dual - 6
Goodrick - 3
Siby - 2
Moesch - 1

How do you come up with 1 point (instead of 0 or 2, or even 1.5)? It seems so arbitrary.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

well, i wasn't serious, thus the smiley face. but looking at your breakdown, i think you're 2-3 ppg short for tobiason, mmm, siby, and maybe even 1-2 short on doty, white and anthony. i could argue for an additional 10ppg.

I think you take 80 PPG (generous) and then figure where those will come from.

 

[Orangezoo]

Here is the TS pct of the guys we are bringing in/returning

Dual- 54 pct
Tobiason - 60 pct
Wilson - 62 pct
Doty- 57 pct
Sadiq- 56 pct
Kiyan- 48 pct ( most concerning one of course but FT shooting hurt a lot here)
M3- no obvious data but should be high 50s to low 60s given other numbers
Siby - no data
Moesch - no data
Goodrick- 64 pct( only 9 games)
Folefac( assuming) - 58 pct

For a defensive minded team- outside of Kiyan those are impressive numbers to work with coming in from a shooting perspective. The kind of things that speak to looking at analytics and not just rankings to me.

If we add another lead guard with the rest of our war chest that’s up there as well that’s a smart well put together roster.

 

[Knicks411]

Dink Pate

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It’s his 25-26 stats. Also I updated my post. PC is loading up with poor shooters. Adding Mack to that mix is just wild.

With what Gerry is putting together you have to look under the hood a bit more. I’m not promising miracles or anything just saying portal rankings can be deceiving and based on class ranking it looks like BH is doing great but both NW kids are questionable adds, Byrd is overrated and a non factor on offense and Vanterpool is their best add and his numbers are good not great and that’s in the American where Tobiason was at/over 60 pct TS pct.

it was made clear how frustrating we were leaning on a guy like JJ at 50 pct TS, then the guy so many (raises hand) wanted as our coach is bringing a bunch of guys who shoot like JJ did and only a couple that were better.

It looks like there are two buckets; basketball reference has stats for the regular season (56-% true shooting, more games) and something called the tip off tournament (fewer games, looks like your stats). Should probably combine the two and the regular season is more games. The link you sent is filtered to the tip off tournament only.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/p/patedi01d.html

I’m just still going to be very skeptical of the Gerry pixie dust you just gotta look under the hood actually all the players he’s getting are way better than it looks. It’s just convenient that the guy we hired is super duper smart and all his players are gonna be way better and another guy we’re in the running for, all his players are worse than they look.