Rough week for SU athletics | Page 2 | Syracusefan.com

Rough week for SU athletics

Just straight up gaslighting in this thread from you. You’re basically saying we can only win with a Duke or UK like payroll.

NiL was significantly bumped. The guy we paid the most is injury prone. The new guys have stunk, but produced elsewhere.

Shaheen Holloway beat NC State with a quarter of our payroll the other night.
Actually the only real player we have right now is Kyle, and White , and give Fennell a chance. At least he might be able to hit a few shots, and make a free throw.
 
If we spent just half of what they pay we could be competitive. UK way over spent for what they have. I think you would be surprised by who got paid for most at SU.
I’m aware of the NIL situation and it is not last year. It only took the first 30 point blowout for someone to use this as an excuse. The transfers being worse here than their other stops is not because of NIL. We did not sign guys from Hofstra and Delaware this year.
 
Yikes. 70-7 ND beatdown in football and then 0-3 at the Players Era. This is the worst week in Cuse athletics I can remember, and I go back to the GROB era.

Our current approach to athletics seems to be...not working. Why? Any good ideas?
throw in a women's basketball blowout to Michigan. The ladies did beat Utah for the lone highlight.
 
Ugh I still have nightmares of that weekend. Lost to Uconn Thursday. Oregon Friday. Insanely hungover on Saturday and we get smoked by ND. Then on Sunday I truck my hungover ass to JFK and try to check in for my flight. Only to find out that my drunk ass (I bought my return flight while I was at the Blarney before the Oregon game) bought a ticket for 2 weeks from now, instead of that day.

Ugh I hate that weekend.
My one memory from the night of the UConn game was how insanely icy the sidewalks in Manhattan were. It was like trying to walk on an ice skating rink. Very unsafe.
 
Everybody in the know says if you want to win you have to commit to paying players. It’s the only way you can win. Whether it’s the portal or hs recruiting you have to spend to get results. No money, no talent. No talent no wins. Our talent this year is overrated. Our wings are not quick enough and none of them can create off the dribble. We also lack a lot of size. Our front line is still small. Kyle plays his butt off, but there’s only lobs and no post up game.
I was thinking the same thing about our talent all week. We have some guys who can jump and seem fast but arent quick (and there is a difference). We also are very limited in terms of actual basketball skill. And don't get me started on game and court sense. We are better than last year but a long way from good.
 
I’m aware of the NIL situation and it is not last year. It only took the first 30 point blowout for someone to use this as an excuse. The transfers being worse here than their other stops is not because of NIL. We did not sign guys from Hofstra and Delaware this year.
I agree, but what I’m seeing is an inability from any of them to get in the lane and score. They are all stand still shooters. We still have no post players. Can you imagine Kyle playing along a big man who would occupy the defense? He would be a weak side monster.
 
throw in a women's basketball blowout to Michigan. The ladies did beat Utah for the lone highlight.
I saw on instagram our women’s hockey team beat #5 Cornell in a shootout! Extend JW before he gets poached!
 
I was thinking the same thing about our talent all week. We have some guys who can jump and seem fast but arent quick (and there is a difference). We also are very limited in terms of actual basketball skill. And don't get me started on game and court sense. We are better than last year but a long way from good.
Yea. Guilty as charged comparing this team to last year. I can also say I think we will be able to stack wins in the ACC but that won’t matter cuz with this staff and team taking off even one half of basketball against any # of bottom feeders in ACC play will put us into the mess of 20 other teams missing the tourney cuz they have no quality non conference wins and bad losses.
 
Honestly I just don’t think that people in CNY realize the amount of time, effort and capital is put towards athletics at state schools now in the Power conferences. It’s tied into local and state governments, their local economies, I’ve read stories about the judges and courts that are crazy in some places like they won’t tax players NIL.

Case in point we still want to get “deals” and value on investments on Syracuse sports while public schools are writing blank checks to pretty much anything they ask. I won’t be surprised if some team shows up with some AI super computer doing metrics real time on games soon.

Also Cuse sports are answering to a Board of trustees while the decision makers at state schools are public officials. Guess who they answer to, yea the public and the public at Kansas, or Houston, or Iowa St, or Tennessee will absolutely show up with pitchforks to toss out a coach if they performed half as poorly as Autry.
While this is true the excuses every time we suck can’t be money. We allocated way more to basketball this year compared to last year.

Red was even given the opportunity to upgrade his staff, but passed. For the life of me I’ll never understand the Engelstad hire.

I spoke to a lower level college assistant tonight who could not believe how poor our offensive design is. And not for nothing you can go look at Kenpom to easily find dozens of schools higher ranked than us that have worse financial situations.
 
I agree, but what I’m seeing is an inability from any of them to get in the lane and score. They are all stand still shooters. We still have no post players. Can you imagine Kyle playing along a big man who would occupy the defense? He would be a weak side monster.
I mean that was supposed to be Freeman. It still doesn’t solve the fact Red is running the same stuff JB ran with Wallace and Carmelo 20 and 30 years ago with no one near as good.
 
a loss to BC and a beatdown by Tennessee will seal it as the worst 11-day period in SU sports history
Be prepared for us to win both. Cuz I’m feeling it. Why? I have no idea. But it’s gonna happen
 
This is what happens when you hire head coaches without any head coaching experience. Can't expect to have sustained success when learning on the job. Autry and Fran are basically mirror images of each other in that regard. You are what you hire. We went budget friendly both times
 
This is what happens when you hire head coaches without any head coaching experience. Can't expect to have sustained success when learning on the job. Autry and Fran are basically mirror images of each other in that regard. You are what you hire.
Fran is way better than Red. His first year was basically the equivalent of going to the sweet 16 in basketball.
 
While this is true the excuses every time we suck can’t be money. We allocated way more to basketball this year compared to last year.

Red was even given the opportunity to upgrade his staff, but passed. For the life of me I’ll never understand the Engelstad hire.

I spoke to a lower level college assistant tonight who could not believe how poor our offensive design is. And not for nothing you can go look at Kenpom to easily find dozens of schools higher ranked than us that have worse financial situations.
I’m not using it as an excuse to keep Autry.

I’m saying everything about our program needs money thrown at it if we want to compete with top dogs. Just stating facts that these 3 teams we just played aren’t those kenpom midmajor teams you’re taking about.

New coaches, new support staff, analytics nerds and whatever else the new coach can dream up.

Just a reminder how amateur our hoops is compared to big programs. We legit posted a picture on Instagram of our best player in a damn boot getting off the plane. Then deleted it and then gaslit everyone like we’re morons. Any other real program that stuff doesn’t happen and it’s insanity that stupid stuff like this isn’t the first time.
 
I’m not using it as an excuse to keep Autry.

I’m saying everything about our program needs money thrown at it if we want to compete with top dogs. Just stating facts that these 3 teams we just played aren’t those kenpom midmajor teams you’re taking about.

New coaches, new support staff, analytics nerds and whatever else the new coach can dream up.

Just a reminder how amateur our hoops is compared to big programs. We legit posted a picture on Instagram of our best player in a damn boot getting off the plane. Then deleted it and then gaslit everyone like we’re morons. Any other real program that stuff doesn’t happen and it’s insanity that stupid stuff like this isn’t the first time.
Yes, that starts at the top. Iowa State was 2-22 four years ago. Make the right hire and all of this goes away. And if you want more money Red ain’t the guy for that either. He hates that part of the job.
 
I saw on instagram our women’s hockey team beat #5 Cornell in a shootout! Extend JW before he gets poached!
that's an outstanding win, it might be women's hockey biggest upset win ever
 
I’m not using it as an excuse to keep Autry.

I’m saying everything about our program needs money thrown at it if we want to compete with top dogs. Just stating facts that these 3 teams we just played aren’t those kenpom midmajor teams you’re taking about.

New coaches, new support staff, analytics nerds and whatever else the new coach can dream up.

Just a reminder how amateur our hoops is compared to big programs. We legit posted a picture on Instagram of our best player in a damn boot getting off the plane. Then deleted it and then gaslit everyone like we’re morons. Any other real program that stuff doesn’t happen and it’s insanity that stupid stuff like this isn’t the first time.

Can we compete with the mid-dogs first before we worry about the top dogs? Can we make the tournament again on a regular basis before we worry about the top dogs? Can we run a modern offense before we worry about the top dogs? We have fallen so far that we need to take steps to get back to the top again. We need to start by just leveling up to making the tournament again on a regular basis before we worry what the top dogs are doing and how much they are spending compared to us. And we have spent enough to make the tournament, the problem is and always was coaching. We are resting on our name and trying not to take the steps needed to get back.
 
This is what happens when you hire head coaches without any head coaching experience. Can't expect to have sustained success when learning on the job. Autry and Fran are basically mirror images of each other in that regard. You are what you hire. We went budget friendly both times
Budget friendly yes for sure. I mean Fran bought a lot of goodwill his freshman year. Ending a season ranked and with multiple wins over ranked teams. Autry hasn’t even sniffed that except maybe that UNC game and this is year 3 of the same crap.

A 30 point loss isn’t acceptable in hoops same as football.

If Fran doesn’t have another big season next year he’ll be on his way out too.
 
Any new coach worth his while will want a minimum of $10 million for NIL. That number is only going to increase.
 
Budget friendly yes for sure. I mean Fran bought a lot of goodwill his freshman year. Ending a season ranked and with multiple wins over ranked teams. Autry hasn’t even sniffed that except maybe that UNC game and this is year 3 of the same crap.

A 30 point loss isn’t acceptable in hoops same as football.

If Fran doesn’t have another big season next year he’ll be on his way out too.
Fran has gotten a lot of additional money for assistant coaches and a bunch more for support staff.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
175,382
Messages
5,233,000
Members
6,177
Latest member
SU Franatic

Online statistics

Members online
313
Guests online
14,932
Total visitors
15,245


P
Top Bottom