Running Game Breakdown

[PAcuse]

Okay so we all have a ton of questions on how good our running game really was, so here are some stats.

1st quarter: 14 attempts 100 yards 2 TDs 7.15 avg
2nd quarter: 13 attempts 131 yards 1 TD 10.08 avg
3rd quarter: 14 attempts 37 yards 1 TD 2.17 avg
4th quarter: 17 attempts 73 yards 4.29 avg

Red Zone runs:
23 attempts 58 yards 4 TDs 2.52 avg

You can clearly see the terrible 3rd quarter we had running the ball hurt the whole team overall imo.
If you take out the "stacked" formation runs in the 4th quarter the and even with the terrible 3rd quarter the team is still at 41 attempts for 268 yards and an avg of 6.58 yards.

If you would have told me at the start of the game we would have averaged 6.58 yards per carry (taking out icing the clock time) I would have been over the moon about it.

Would I like to see Dungey run less yes I would, but he is a weapon we have to use.

Mo Neal has earned the starting spot after this game.

I came away impressed with the Oline in short yardage situations for the most part, they opened some huge holes when it really mattered. To say they have not greatly improved from last year is crazy talk.

It will be interesting to see what our run game does against Wagner as I'm sure they will have 8 in the box and most likely someone spying Dungey.

 

[SUskibum]

Okay so we all have a ton of questions on how good our running game really was, so here are some stats.

1st quarter: 14 attempts 100 yards 2 TDs 7.15 avg
2nd quarter: 13 attempts 131 yards 1 TD 10.08 avg
3rd quarter: 14 attempts 37 yards 1 TD 2.17 avg
4th quarter: 17 attempts 73 yards 4.29 avg

Red Zone runs:
23 attempts 58 yards 4 TDs 2.52 avg

You can clearly see the terrible 3rd quarter we had running the ball hurt the whole team overall imo.
If you take out the "stacked" formation runs in the 4th quarter the and even with the terrible 3rd quarter the team is still at 41 attempts for 268 yards and an avg of 6.58 yards.

If you would have told me at the start of the game we would have averaged 6.58 yards per carry (taking out icing the clock time) I would have been over the moon about it.

Would I like to see Dungey run less yes I would, but he is a weapon we have to use.

Mo Neal has earned the starting spot after this game.

I came away impressed with the Oline in short yardage situations for the most part, they opened some huge holes when it really mattered. To say they have not greatly improved from last year is crazy talk.

It will be interesting to see what our run game does against Wagner as I'm sure they will have 8 in the box and most likely someone spying Dungey.

This is great thank you.

I agree with your O'Line comment. I think people forget the amount of times that our line was blown backwards off the ball inside the 5 last year. Not so much today.

Wonder what these numbers look like ex-Dungey.

Agree with the Moe comment. I hope Moe continues to dominate touches. I hope any WR not named Riley or Butler gets a shot and that Trill gets more run over Scoop.

Way more positives than negatives from this game for sure.

 

[PAcuse]

This is great thank you.

I agree with your O'Line comment. I think people forget the amount of times that our line was blown backwards off the ball inside the 5 last year. Not so much today.

Wonder what these numbers look like ex-Dungey.

Agree with the Moe comment. I hope Moe continues to dominate touches. I hope any WR not named Riley or Butler gets a shot and that Trill gets more run over Scoop.

Way more positives than negatives from this game for sure.

You are welcome!
I think without Dungey our running game might be okay. It was to short of a sample size to see we Devito was in. If I remember correctly it was only 4 or 5 runs and 2 where by him.

 

[rrlbees]

Okay so we all have a ton of questions on how good our running game really was, so here are some stats.

1st quarter: 14 attempts 100 yards 2 TDs 7.15 avg
2nd quarter: 13 attempts 131 yards 1 TD 10.08 avg
3rd quarter: 14 attempts 37 yards 1 TD 2.17 avg
4th quarter: 17 attempts 73 yards 4.29 avg

Red Zone runs:
23 attempts 58 yards 4 TDs 2.52 avg

You can clearly see the terrible 3rd quarter we had running the ball hurt the whole team overall imo.
If you take out the "stacked" formation runs in the 4th quarter the and even with the terrible 3rd quarter the team is still at 41 attempts for 268 yards and an avg of 6.58 yards.

If you would have told me at the start of the game we would have averaged 6.58 yards per carry (taking out icing the clock time) I would have been over the moon about it.

Would I like to see Dungey run less yes I would, but he is a weapon we have to use.

Mo Neal has earned the starting spot after this game.

I came away impressed with the Oline in short yardage situations for the most part, they opened some huge holes when it really mattered. To say they have not greatly improved from last year is crazy talk.

It will be interesting to see what our run game does against Wagner as I'm sure they will have 8 in the box and most likely someone spying Dungey.

I don’t think Moe takes over the starting spot.

 

[upperdeck]

Moe had the best runs by far, lets hope we see better holes this week and less of the power sets.

 

[upperdeck]

one thing we saw though if this was L Jackson running he would have had 4-5 tds and 400 rushing with the holes we created for the QB.

 

[PAcuse]

I don’t think Moe takes over the starting spot.

I think you are mostly likely right, but I would like for him to get the start.

 

[rrlbees]

I think you are mostly likely right, but I would like for him to get the start.

I took a look at how they broke down and they had very comparable games. Overall, Strick may have been slightly better.

First, you have to trust me but Strick is the better pass blocker and picking up blitzes. Looking at running, Strick had the better ypc and the longer run from scrimmage. They both scored twice.

Moe had more yardage but had a lot more carries. Why did he have so many more carries? They typically rotate series or rotate every two series. That’s what they did last night. But if you look at our last 4 series, Moe was in the last two and Strick the two prior. Stricks two series we scored in 4 plays and the one play after Whitners INT. The last two series we play slower methodical football and didn’t throw and Dungey only ran a few times. We just kept giving Moe the ball up the middle pretty much. He carried 15 times those last two series. More than half his carries for the game.

Moe has a bit more wiggle and Strick is a bit tougher. Neither is a star but both are serviceable in this offense and do a good job with the little things Babers asks of the RBs.

 

[phil77]

If you take our Dungey's yards our running game against a MAC was very lackluster. I expected better from both our backs and OL. Very disappointed

 

[jmcclure33]

If you take our Dungey's yards our running game against a MAC was very lackluster. I expected better from both our backs and OL. Very disappointed

Well, luckily his 200 yards still count whether we choose to ignore them or not.

 

[phil77]

Well, luckily his 200 yards still count whether we choose to ignore them or not.

It is not a recipe for long term success. He has too much injury history to expect him to do that every week and make it past week 6

 

[sufandu]

Well, luckily his 200 yards still count whether we choose to ignore them or not.

The point is, we shouldn't have to need him to get 200 yards to have a decent running game. If we want to see him in the November games, the RBs have to do more and he has to do less. Dino knows this. I'm sure it's one reason we ran so much of that power set.

 

[upperdeck]

if you watch the game again, the first half we ran well there were holes and several types of plays that worked. once Devito came in we went to really the same 1-2 plays over and over and the yds per carry went way down. if you throw everything out that wasnt a red zone and a clear run on 3rd and 1s we actually ran well even without the Dungey runs

 

[TheCusian]

I think it’s weird that we don’t want to call ED a dual threat QB and acknowledge that his running is really important to the teams success

“200 yards of running but” is silly

 

[A Clockwork Orange]

It is not a recipe for long term success. He has too much injury history to expect him to do that every week and make it past week 6

I would 100% agree with you if those yards came from scrambles. They were designed read options that he kept. So that means the O-Line should be responsible for opening those holes for him to run through.

 

[qdawgg]

I think it’s weird that we don’t want to call ED a dual threat QB and acknowledge that his running is really important to the teams success

“200 yards of running but” is silly

You're glazing over it a little bit to fit your thoughts. He's not a dual threat QB with 200 yards, he's a dual threat QB with a history of serious, season altering injuries. Huge difference.

 

[Pearl309]

The problem as I see it is we won’t win with ED posing for a portrait in the pocket tossing ducks to Custis or lasers to Riley.
We need him to run. But when he runs he inevitably gets hurt.
Other than the (2?) deep balls to Custis, the pocket collapsed on the regular.
Catch 22ish

 

[jmcclure33]

This is who ED is. He’s a dual threat QB with incredible vision and elusiveness. Yes he’s had an injury history, but he gives us the best chance to win when he plays like himself. We celebrated when L. Jackson declared for the draft, and it wasn’t because he had the best pocket presence in the conference. As long as he’s smart and not taking huge hits just to get an extra half yard at the end of long runs, I’m fully ok with it because he sees a hole that he can exploit or he’s trying to make something out of nothing, and that’s what he’s best at. It turned into 200 yards on the ground and a W for the Cuse. I’d call that a successful day.

 

[SmilinBob]

Jackson knew how to avoid hits and he is a skinny guy. Instead of running through a defender he juked around him or ran out of bounds. Jackson played September though January for 3 seasons by doing that.

 

[Pearl309]

In EDs defense at the start of the game he was actively looking to avoid hits.
Once we got shot up, he was seeking contact

 

[TheCusian]

Let him play the way that gives us the best chance to win, if he goes down we play Tommy and let him work the kinks out

 

[upperdeck]

the system says if you can throw Ok and Run Ok you can move the ball. thats what makes the system good for us. We probably wont get the best of Either a throw or runner, but can we middle it well. I think we have 2 backups capable and we showed last year a walkon moved the ball pretty well and that was with no running game at all

 

[SmilinBob]

In EDs defense at the start of the game he was actively looking to avoid hits.
Once we got shot up, he was seeking contact

I agree and then the adrenaline of the game got him going into fullback mode.

Cusian, you're right and as Babers said their ain't no way to get that out of him.

 

[cuse309]

We all agree that winning 6 games is the goal this year. What we saw on Friday, with Dungey needing to churn out 200 yards with his legs, and not much from anyone else, is certainly not a recipe to reach 6 wins going forward. If we don't figure out how to reach 200 yards with our running backs, then Dungey will not be playing a whole lot this year, and we will not be bowling.
Can't we just put Abduhl Adams in a Strickland jersey?

 

[Cusefan69]

Great thread, a few thoughts. I don’t think who “starts “ is a big deal except maybe to the player. HCDFB will have both Strick and Moe touch the rock. The Oline has definitely improved but that is a relative measure to last year and last year they were not good. That said more snaps, more repetition and Oline health should result in that performance continuously improving. If you noticed though, there were a few plays Elmore was in for run and pass assignments. ED god love him is a dual threat that will likely have us cringing two or three times a game. Babers calls set plays to engage that particular element of the offense so he knows the risk/reward associated. With knowing that, plan on seeing Devito to continue to get in game reps to continue his development. That way IF(please don’t let this be the kiss of death) ED goes down again, he has Devito who has seen enough game speed action to perhaps maintain bowl season momentum for us. Last year our number 2 QB had plenty of game experience, so no need for snaps. Still lots to be happy about. We should be 2-0 going into a winnable FSU game.