Rutgers starting RB leaves the team

[wfschrec]

Asinine, asinine comment. Rice was s 2-star recruit, so you lose all credibility there. Devin McCourty, Jason McCourty, Courtney Greene, and Eric Foster...all two-star HS guys who are now NFL starters within their first few years in the league.

Bees, nowhere have I read they dropped him to fourth string. He almost transferred last off-season. He was a system guy in HS. And also, there are no issues within the team, so stop trying to CREATE drama.

Bees ... I didn't realize this new message board had the power to start drama on the Rutgirls end ... I stand corrected bees you are approaching God like status

 

[Upstate]

Let's consider a few things:

4. So, after two games,you have two runners in Huggins and Williams who have done very little. Well you gave Williams the bulk of the carries through the first two games and now you decide to give the All American freshman a shot to get something going. Demoted player quits. Nothing to see here.

The same freshman all american that had 0 yards on 7 carries vs. UNC? or the one thats averaging 1.9 ypc?

 

[Arizona Knight]

Well, you left out a few other facts, some of which your coach even mentioned. But I don't really care. I just find it amusing that 1/2 the rutgers fans are singing a completely different tune about Williams than they were in the spring or pre-season. For a kid that is so sucky, schiano must be a tool for giving him some award after spring ball and then making him #1 on the depth chart for 2 games.

What other "facts" were left out? If you mean the part about the OL and RB's needing to trust each other, then that is coachspeak. I left it out because I thought that would be obvious. RB needs to trust his OL'men and give the blocking a chance to develop. QB also needs to trust his OL. CB needs to trust the FS providing help over the top, etc.

As for the "Most Improved Player" award, that is the oldest left-handed compliment in the book. If I was ever given one of those trophies I would have cried like a baby.

If you are still touting this idea that Williams was made #1 on the depth chart then you clearly did not read the post that you are replying to. To recap his ascension into the starting lineup...

1. Joe Martinek, was 1st string in 2010, is moved to FB
2. Jordan Thomas, was 2nd string in 2010, is moved to DB
3. Jeremy Deering who was splitting time with the one's in the spring, gets concussion and misses all of summer camp.
4. Jawan Jamison who was splitting time with the one's in the spring, pulls a hammy and misses almost all of summer camp.
5. True Freshman Savon Huggins outgains and outperforms Williams, by any objective measure, in two summer scrimmages (against the 1's) but is still only a true freshman.
6. Williams comes out of camp as the only healthy body outside of Huggins. He was finally a good soldier in the spring (and I'll leave it at that) and he was awarded with the chance to start.

You make it sound like Williams came in like Ray Rice and unseated an incumbent All Big East performer (Brian Leonard) on Day 1.

 

[qdawgg]

Let's consider a few things:
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Let's not

 

[NovaOrange]

I see a few negative post on Williams my friend Kevin Sith is the head coach at Woodbridge now and was the offensive coordinator there when he was a Senior. The kid is going to make a program very happy when he gets there, he has the talent to be special he just decided to go to Rutgers because of Greg's entrance into the Woodbridge game his senior year. I will try and find an old story about it because I am sure if I tell you about it without a link you wont believe me because it's that out of control.

 

[NovaOrange]

“You don’t just give up when things don’t go the way you planned them to,” said Williams, whose recruitment was important enough for Rutgers coach Greg Schiano to take a helicopter to one of his high school games.
My buddy was at the game said he landed the freaking helicopter on the 50 right before warm ups started here is the link with the qoute it's half way through the story.
http://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index.ssf/2011/04/rutgers_deantwan_williams_dete.html

 

[ImperialOrange]

What other "facts" were left out? If you mean the part about the OL and RB's needing to trust each other, then that is coachspeak. I left it out because I thought that would be obvious. RB needs to trust his OL'men and give the blocking a chance to develop. QB also needs to trust his OL. CB needs to trust the FS providing help over the top, etc.

As for the "Most Improved Player" award, that is the oldest left-handed compliment in the book. If I was ever given one of those trophies I would have cried like a baby.

If you are still touting this idea that Williams was made #1 on the depth chart then you clearly did not read the post that you are replying to. To recap his ascension into the starting lineup...

1. Joe Martinek, was 1st string in 2010, is moved to FB
2. Jordan Thomas, was 2nd string in 2010, is moved to DB
3. Jeremy Deering who was splitting time with the one's in the spring, gets concussion and misses all of summer camp.
4. Jawan Jamison who was splitting time with the one's in the spring, pulls a hammy and misses almost all of summer camp.
5. True Freshman Savon Huggins outgains and outperforms Williams, by any objective measure, in two summer scrimmages (against the 1's) but is still only a true freshman.
6. Williams comes out of camp as the only healthy body outside of Huggins. He was finally a good soldier in the spring (and I'll leave it at that) and he was awarded with the chance to start.

You make it sound like Williams came in like Ray Rice and unseated an incumbent All Big East performer (Brian Leonard) on Day 1.

If Williams was merely a "healthy body" why would they feel at all comfortable in moving the 2 RB's that were ahead of him last year? Also, why wouldnt they move Thomas back to RB after Deerings injury? I imagine you are the former AKS and I have and do appreciate your insights but it doesn't really add up on this one. If Huggins was better in all ways in camp the coaches are crazy to not have started him week 1 vs nobody in particular. In games so far neither have been good, but 3 ypc > 1.9 ypc. From the outside it looks as if Huggins was promised the world to go there, may have started to grumble, and everyone else be damned he's now you're guy.

 

[rrlbees]

What other "facts" were left out? If you mean the part about the OL and RB's needing to trust each other, then that is coachspeak. I left it out because I thought that would be obvious. RB needs to trust his OL'men and give the blocking a chance to develop. QB also needs to trust his OL. CB needs to trust the FS providing help over the top, etc.

As for the "Most Improved Player" award, that is the oldest left-handed compliment in the book. If I was ever given one of those trophies I would have cried like a baby.

If you are still touting this idea that Williams was made #1 on the depth chart then you clearly did not read the post that you are replying to. To recap his ascension into the starting lineup...

1. Joe Martinek, was 1st string in 2010, is moved to FB
2. Jordan Thomas, was 2nd string in 2010, is moved to DB
3. Jeremy Deering who was splitting time with the one's in the spring, gets concussion and misses all of summer camp.
4. Jawan Jamison who was splitting time with the one's in the spring, pulls a hammy and misses almost all of summer camp.
5. True Freshman Savon Huggins outgains and outperforms Williams, by any objective measure, in two summer scrimmages (against the 1's) but is still only a true freshman.
6. Williams comes out of camp as the only healthy body outside of Huggins. He was finally a good soldier in the spring (and I'll leave it at that) and he was awarded with the chance to start.

You make it sound like Williams came in like Ray Rice and unseated an incumbent All Big East performer (Brian Leonard) on Day 1.

Regardless of what you think, you know the only reason the change was made, and for Williams leaving, is that the anointed one needs to be the man. I said that in my original post basically. How does Williams, who although not doing great things was the best of the bunch both pre-season and in the 2 games, drop from starter to 3rd or 4th string? It's tough to bring in a supposed superstar and not let him be the man, especially at a rutgers. We aren't talking Texas or Florida.

 

[rrlbees]

If Williams was merely a "healthy body" why would they feel at all comfortable in moving the 2 RB's that were ahead of him last year? Also, why wouldnt they move Thomas back to RB after Deerings injury? I imagine you are the former AKS and I have and do appreciate your insights but it doesn't really add up on this one. If Huggins was better in all ways in camp the coaches are crazy to not have started him week 1 vs nobody in particular. In games so far neither have been good, but 3 ypc > 1.9 ypc. From the outside it looks as if Huggins was promised the world to go there, may have started to grumble, and everyone else be damned he's now you're guy.

Ding ding ding.

 

[BlackKnight76]

What I'm most concerned with is shouldn't AKS' handle be Arizona Knight Syracusefan.com on this site?

 

[Arizona Knight]

If Williams was merely a "healthy body" why would they feel at all comfortable in moving the 2 RB's that were ahead of him last year? Also, why wouldnt they move Thomas back to RB after Deerings injury? I imagine you are the former AKS and I have and do appreciate your insights but it doesn't really add up on this one. If Huggins was better in all ways in camp the coaches are crazy to not have started him week 1 vs nobody in particular. In games so far neither have been good, but 3 ypc > 1.9 ypc. From the outside it looks as if Huggins was promised the world to go there, may have started to grumble, and everyone else be damned he's now you're guy.

I am the former Arizona Knight Scout, and now back to plain old Arizona Knight as I am on the Rivals site.

As you and rrblees (I hope I have that right) have pointed out, Huggins did not turn down every other program in the country to sit on the bench at Rutgers. I get that. That being said, Williams and Huggins were the only healthy bodies to come out of summer camp, that is a fact. Williams had done what the staff had asked of him (this winter and spring) and was given the opportunity to play. He was not even named the #1 by Coach for Game 1, Schiano repeatedly stated that the guy who got on the field first would be dictated by the play call, not the player.

Both Huggins and Williams were going to get carries and they did. So no one was "crazy" not to start Savon, he still got his touches. Keep in mind, this kid is a true freshman and will now be starting by Game 3. It's not like he has been sidelined for half of the season. This is only Game 3.

It was not until this week, the bye week, that Coach said he intended to establish a defined 1 and 2 with Deering being the situational back. Now everyone on the planet knew that Savon would be one of the Top 2. He was the best back all summer and he is Savon Huggins, I'm not denying that point. Well it turns out that Williams didn't appreciate being told he was not the #1.

Savon, despite the rough start, is a talent. Like most RB's he needs to get his touches in order to be most effective and especially as a true freshman, he needs his touches to get a feel for D1A speed. Let's see what he is able to do with 25 touches in a week and a half. Then it will be on to Cuse...

 

[rrlbees]

I am the former Arizona Knight Scout, and now back to plain old Arizona Knight as I am on the Rivals site.

As you and rrblees (I hope I have that right) have pointed out, Huggins did not turn down every other program in the country to sit on the bench at Rutgers. I get that. That being said, Williams and Huggins were the only healthy bodies to come out of summer camp, that is a fact. Williams had done what the staff had asked of him (this winter and spring) and was given the opportunity to play. He was not even named the #1 by Coach for Game 1, Schiano repeatedly stated that the guy who got on the field first would be dictated by the play call, not the player.

Both Huggins and Williams were going to get carries and they did. So no one was "crazy" not to start Savon, he still got his touches. Keep in mind, this kid is a true freshman and will now be starting by Game 3. It's not like he has been sidelined for half of the season. This is only Game 3.

It was not until this week, the bye week, that Coach said he intended to establish a defined 1 and 2 with Deering being the situational back. Now everyone on the planet knew that Savon would be one of the Top 2. He was the best back all summer and he is Savon Huggins, I'm not denying that point. Well it turns out that Williams didn't appreciate being told he was not the #1.

Savon, despite the rough start, is a talent. Like most RB's he needs to get his touches in order to be most effective and especially as a true freshman, he needs his touches to get a feel for D1A speed. Let's see what he is able to do with 25 touches in a week and a half. Then it will be on to Cuse...

I will give you credit AZK, at least you came here with your former handle and didn't masquerade as an SU fan and while we disagree quite often, you at least keep it cordial since this is our board.

 

[Arizona Knight]

How does Williams, who although not doing great things was the best of the bunch both pre-season and in the 2 games, drop from starter to 3rd or 4th string?

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[rrlbees]

How did you come to this conclusion?

Couple of posts on your board plus an article in a NJ paper that said he was dropped to 3rd string without counting Deering who is looked at as a "specialist" (or whatever named they used).

 

[Arizona Knight]

Couple of posts on your board plus an article in a NJ paper that said he was dropped to 3rd string without counting Deering who is looked at as a "specialist" (or whatever named they used).

I meant the part about Williams being the "best of the bunch both pre-season and in the 2 games."

I would first say that the "bunch" was only two players, Huggins and Williams. Then I would point out that Huggins outgained Williams by a wide margin in the two summer scrimmages and while neither put up good numbers in the first two real games, Savon does have 2 TD's compared to 0 by Williams.

 

[tipphill]

i have read the entire thread--its clear to me that ru is the new su rival!!! deny, deny ,deny --it is a fact.many previous threads confirm it!!!!nevertheless---they out recruit us but do not out coach us-----sooner or later talent takes it toal and they have it. as long as shady is the the head coach they will only succeed DESPITE HIM. even he has turned the offense over to the pitt guys. they did well last week and should have won that game. i long for the b.c. and psu rivals--it is what it is,(What does that mean, what is it then?). they out recruit us,attendance is better etc. as i have said many times--su,our coaches and players have done their part --the fans have not. i really do not like bravado, but a win, will do wonders for us on the national landscape,we need that badly---we need local fan support EVEN MORE---

 

[ImperialOrange]

i have read the entire thread--its clear to me that ru is the new su rival!!! deny, deny ,deny --it is a fact.many previous threads confirm it!!!!nevertheless---they out recruit us but do not out coach us-----sooner or later talent takes it toal and they have it. as long as shady is the the head coach they will only succeed DESPITE HIM. even he has turned the offense over to the pitt guys. they did well last week and should have won that game. i long for the b.c. and psu rivals--it is what it is,(What does that mean, what is it then?). they out recruit us,attendance is better etc. as i have said many times--su,our coaches and players have done their part --the fans have not. i really do not like bravado, but a win, will do wonders for us on the national landscape,we need that badly---we need local fan support EVEN MORE---

LOL! So much wrong and so random.

Rutgers is our message board rival, its been confirmed! Aside from that I'm not sure we, or they take anymore joy in beating one another then we would WVU, Pitt, UConn, etc. We are in rival limbo, maybe conference reallignment will fix that.
Out recruit us? Hmmmm, aside from Sanu name one player on their squad you would take over any of our starters this year. Ohhhh but the star ratings!

Attendence is equally mehhhh.

UNC tried desperatley to give them that game last week with 5 turnovers! Rutgers rushed for 1 yard and their QB got abused. Needless to say, they did not play especially well and I'm sure their fans would tell you the same.

There aren't many worthwhile threads going right now, thus this is popular. That is all.

 

[tipphill]

it is popular----i hope you are right for our sake---but please do not talk attendance--we are woefully bad. i hope you are right about all else---but recruiting --i don't think so----i speak talent with this not coaching. schiano is no dummy he has bowed out of the offense---when we play them we need to prepare cignetti not schiano

 

[Cadillac]

LOL! So much wrong and so random.

Rutgers is our message board rival, its been confirmed! Aside from that I'm not sure we, or they take anymore joy in beating one another then we would WVU, Pitt, UConn, etc. We are in rival limbo, maybe conference reallignment will fix that.
Out recruit us? Hmmmm, aside from Sanu name one player on their squad you would take over any of our starters this year. Ohhhh but the star ratings!

Attendence is equally mehhhh.

UNC tried desperatley to give them that game last week with 5 turnovers! Rutgers rushed for 1 yard and their QB got abused. Needless to say, they did not play especially well and I'm sure their fans would tell you the same.

There aren't many worthwhile threads going right now, thus this is popular. That is all.

You are killing it today.

 

[tipphill]

i am guessing that the offensive coach is schiano. i am also guessing he is hands off the offense, and cignetti is making all the calls including huggins. i only wish schiano was still involved with the offense, when they play us. i think they did pretty well at carolina who had a very big offensive line. i know its not popular, but think they have a good upside---sooner or later their recruiting will payoff--hopefully after 10-1-11

mark my words on this one---it will pay dividends for ru-- i will be glad to take the abuse if it does'nt.

 

[ImperialOrange]

it is popular----i hope you are right for our sake---but please do not talk attendance--we are woefully bad. i hope you are right about all else---but recruiting --i don't think so----i speak talent with this not coaching. schiano is no dummy he has bowed out of the offense---when we play them we need to prepare cignetti not schiano

It's just a slow thread week because OE is killing it with posting all the USC related stuff up top and I think most fans are pretty apprehensive about this weekend based on what we've seen so far.

Attendence for both hovers @ the 40,000 range and neither is a hard ticket to get. Last home game of our 2009 4-8 campaign drew ~ 37,000 announced, Last game of their 4-8 2010 campaign drew... ~37,000 announced. Grass isn't always greener.

Recruiting arguements in this case are summantics... you could make a case either way depending on which result you were hoping to prove. Better website rankings, or better play on the field? Which makes you think a recruit was better? If we flipped rosters with Rutgers and had their players can you really say we or they would be any better or worse then either are now? No way to ever know.

I'm not trying to bust your balls here (or donate them anywhere if we beat USC) just sharing my opinions mixed with a few facts. You're certainly within your right to feel differently and I repect that it's just not quite as bad as you think in comparison with alot of these points.

 

[tipphill]

gladly will donate them-- give hcdm ru talent and the sky is the limit. their fan base granted in new and if they do not win will be non existant.except for me, have been going since 1973. wife is a life long fan and jersey girl-- i went to grad school there and graduated in 1977. by the way, strange as it may seem, i predict su over usc-----

 

[ImperialOrange]

gladly will donate them-- give hcdm ru talent and the sky is the limit. their fan base granted in new and if they do not win will be non existant.except for me, have been going since 1973. wife is a life long fan and jersey girl-- i went to grad school there and graduated in 1977. by the way, strange as it may seem, i predict su over usc-----

Wish I shared your optimism for this weekend but I put out chances at 20-30%. Stranger things have happened though.

Last thing on talent levels then I promise I'm done. Look at the SU first strings next to the RU first strings and tell me how many spots you would replace our guys with theirs as being upgrades. This is generally what I do to gauge our chances vs a given team and in this case I think you'll switch far fewer than you think.

Now I'm putting myself on a self imposed Rutgers related post ban until after the Toledo game.

Now back to worrying about who is going to cover Robert Woods this weekend...

 

[rrlbees]

LOL! So much wrong and so random.

Rutgers is our message board rival, its been confirmed!.

That's because whenever we have a thread about anything rutgers, the rutgers fans always jump in. Make a post that says Pitt sucks. Or that WVU is overrated. You won't see their fans running amok and you definitely wouldn't see them making bogus SU handles. rutgers has always been like our little brother and they want our acceptance of them.

 

[Oakland]

Thank god that Rutgers is not a rival of SU, otherwise the board might pay a lot of attention to them.