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Message: [QUOTE="HSPORANGE, post: 2328424, member: 5982"] You are obviously in your 20's then because the Pats were the laughingstock of the NFL in late 8os and most of the 90's. Half empty stadiums were the norm. And then they became good, the faux Pats fans came out of the woods. Haha Dougie is to good to coach the Bills but not too good for the Jags? Like I said only 32 HC gigs in the league and somebody overplayed their hand. Marrone is a good (not great) coach. He is a bit too conservative for my taste as I was tired of watching him punt from the opponents 40 yard line on 4th and short. Everything points to him being a real turd as a human being. I think his ceiling at Syracuse was 6-8 wins most years with a trip to Pinstripe or some other marginal bowl. IMO, Babers has a higher ceiling in a much tougher conference. [/QUOTE]