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Message: [QUOTE="GoSU96, post: 2379005, member: 114"] There’s absolutely no need to to put one against the other. It’s a false and needless juxtaposition. Morons trumpeting George Macdonald as an upgrade created a myth Doug did a great job. Saved the program. Babers has a great approach and attitude to compete for ACC titles In two years the program is so fundamental better than where Shafer left it its ridiculous. Just because Babers hasn’t gotten to a winning record doesn’t mean a thing. Harbaugh and Marrone took historically bad performance at Stanford and SU and started winning more earlier. It took until year 3 and 4 at Baylor for the same level of change to take hold because it was a more radical transformation . So for all the criers doubters and doomsayers take some steroids sack up shut the fhell up and get with the program or get out [/QUOTE]