Selection Show Discussion Thread

[phreddie]

Lol! The histrionics in this thread over the 68th team vs the 69th is hilarious!

 

[IthacaMatt]

The committee shouldn't take that into consideration at all. Only this year's resumé should matter.

And West Virginia went 4-5 down the stretch. That counts, too.

 

[MSOrange]

And West Virginia went 4-5 down the stretch. That counts, too.

They removed the last 10 games as an official criteria several years ago. But you never know what the committee might consider.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Conference record isn’t a criteria for the committee. If it was, you’d have to give a team like Towson an at large bid over UNC. Which would be ridiculous.

And losing to a bunch of Q1 teams shouldn't get you in over a team that beat most of its Q2 opponents.

There used to be kind of an unwritten rule that you had to be at least a .500 team in a Power Conference to get an at large bid. Texas was 6-12. That's basically Syracuse - 7-13 in conference.

 

[Cusefan0307]

WVU still beat Kansas and Iowa State without devries. That was way better than anything UNC had done.

 

[Cusefan0307]

They removed the last 10 games as an official criteria several years ago. But you never know what the committee might consider.

Correct. In the era of unbalanced schedules it means nothing.

 

[bpo57]

Poor work by the bracketologists. None of them had UNC in the tourney. Did they not know the UNC AD was the chair of the committee? Due diligence, fellas.

 

[Newhouser]

Lol! The histrionics in this thread over the 68th team vs the 69th is hilarious!

Hasn't the winner of the play-in game had success in the tournament? Didn't we one time? Like the lottery you have to be in it to win it and if I'm a WVU fan I'm peeved.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Hasn't the winner of the play-in game had success in the tournament? Didn't we one time? Like the lottery you have to be in it to win it and if I'm a WVU fan I'm peeved.

VCU made the FF with Shaka too. We went to the Sweet 16 with Tyus and company in 2018.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Correct. In the era of unbalanced schedules it means nothing.

I would disagree with your certitude about it. How a team is playing at the time of the invitation is deserving of consideration. Whether it should be "a category" is another discussion. The thinking was, "by relying on last 10 games records, we devalue the early season."

On the other hand, I think these pre-conference games have been given too much importance in ranking entire conferences, when teams are just getting to know each other in the first month of the season. Combined with the margin of victory metrics that are used in the current system, this leads to blowouts vs. Podunk U. as being determinative of which conference is better, and who gets more seeds in March.

As a result, people should focus on blowing weaker opposition out of the water and running up the score on Q4 opponents since it matters so much to tournament selection now. And that is clearly messed up.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I would disagree with your certitude about it. How a team is playing at the time of the invitation is deserving of consideration. Whether it should be "a category" is another discussion. The thinking was, "by relying on last 10 games records, we devalue the early season."

On the other hand, I think these pre-conference games have been given too much importance in ranking entire conferences, when teams are just getting to know each other in the first month of the season. Combined with the margin of victory metrics that are used in the current system, this leads to blowouts vs. Podunk U. as being determinative of which conference is better, and who gets more seeds in March.

As a result, people should focus on blowing weaker opposition out of the water and running up the score on Q4 opponents since it matters so much to tournament selection now. And that is clearly messed up.

Correct. That's the Big 12 way and I agree with you it should mean nothing. I do think you need to win games in November against top opponents. The entire season should mean something. It means something in every other sport.

Louisville went 9-1 with in its last 10 games with 5 double digit wins and got an 8 seed. They hurt themselves going 7-5 in November and December losing to every ranked team they played.

I always hated the last 10 games argument because TV puts the best matchups at the end of the season in conference so the best teams end up losing more games then. It never really made sense to me. It was literally the only sport that decided their postseason this way.