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I was curious about them potentially going undefeated and getting a #1 seed, so I looked up their remaining schedule:

@Illinios State
Drake
Loyola Chicago
Evansville
@Indiana St
@UNI
Southern Illinois

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I don't think you have to worry. The committee will look at their relative SOS including out of conference wins and that will decide where they land. I'm thinking a 3 or 4 seed come March.
 
wichita's st.s light schedule is the lightsaber to their #1 seed hopes. they'll be a 2 seed and lucky to land that
 
Assuming Arizona doesn't lose more than a game or two. I think they would need SU, Kansas, or Michigan St to falter (2/3 or more loses) down the stretch to grab a 1 seed.
 
I wouldn't give the Wichita State Shockers a 1 seed even if they went undefeated. They shouldn't even be in contention for a 1 seed if the committee actually does what they say and ranks teams based on who they have played and beaten. I think Wichita State could make the Final Four because they are that good, but their schedule just isn't worthy of a 1 seed. If the committee does give them a 1 seed I hope they put Kansas, Florida type team as their 2 seed just to balance out of the brackets, and puts a team that could have been a 1 seed in the Wichita bracket just to balance things out.

In 1998 Princeton went 26-1 and only got a 5 seed. Wichita State made the Final Four last year, but their non-conference schedule is not good enough to overcome the MVC schedule.
Princeton schedule that season
Texas W 62-56
North Carolina State W 38-36
Rutgers W 64-52
MONMOUTH W 61-38
UNC WILMINGTON W 63-50
LAFAYETTE W 73-48
Bucknell W 64-52
North Carolina L 42-50
Wake Forest W 69-64
Drexel W 58-56
Niagara W 61-52
MANHATTAN W 77-48
Yale W 69-58
Brown W 69-38
COLLEGE OF N.J. W 59-50
CORNELL W 86-61
COLUMBIA W 58-45
Dartmouth W 71-39
Harvard W 76-48
BROWN W 82-58
YALE W 78-48
PENNSYLVANIA W 71-52
HARVARD W 77-55
DARTMOUTH W 74-53
Columbia W 51-37
Cornell W 72-59
Pennsylvania* W 78-72
NCAA Tournament
Nevada-Las Vegas W 69-57
Michigan State L 56-63
 
Alsacs said:
I wouldn't give the Wichita State Shockers a 1 seed even if they went undefeated. They shouldn't even be in contention for a 1 seed if the committee actually does what they say and ranks teams based on who they have played and beaten. I think Wichita State could make the Final Four because they are that good, but their schedule just isn't worthy of a 1 seed. If the committee does give them a 1 seed I hope they put Kansas, Florida type team as their 2 seed just to balance out of the brackets, and puts a team that could have been a 1 seed in the Wichita bracket just to balance things out.

In 1998 Princeton went 26-1 and only got a 5 seed. Wichita State made the Final Four last year, but their non-conference schedule is not good enough to overcome the MVC schedule.
Princeton schedule that season
Texas W 62-56
North Carolina State W 38-36
Rutgers W 64-52
MONMOUTH W 61-38
UNC WILMINGTON W 63-50
LAFAYETTE W 73-48
Bucknell W 64-52
North Carolina L 42-50
Wake Forest W 69-64
Drexel W 58-56
Niagara W 61-52
MANHATTAN W 77-48
Yale W 69-58
Brown W 69-38
COLLEGE OF N.J. W 59-50
CORNELL W 86-61
COLUMBIA W 58-45
Dartmouth W 71-39
Harvard W 76-48
BROWN W 82-58
YALE W 78-48
PENNSYLVANIA W 71-52
HARVARD W 77-55
DARTMOUTH W 74-53
Columbia W 51-37
Cornell W 72-59
Pennsylvania* W 78-72
NCAA Tournament
Nevada-Las Vegas W 69-57
Michigan State L 56-63
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Right now the Bracket Matrix has them #6 on the S curve and that was before Villanova lost last night. People are kidding themselves if they think this team is not getting a 1 or 2 seed if they go unbeaten. I will bet my golf clubs on it.
 
Marsh01 said:
Right now the Bracket Matrix has them #6 on the S curve and that was before Villanova lost last night. People are kidding themselves if they think this team is not getting a 1 or 2 seed if they go unbeaten. I will bet my golf clubs on it.
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Wow. You are serious about this :D
 
Marsh01 said:
Right now the Bracket Matrix has them #6 on the S curve and that was before Villanova lost last night. People are kidding themselves if they think this team is not getting a 1 or 2 seed if they go unbeaten. I will bet my golf clubs on it.
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I don't disagree with you and think they will get a 2 seed, but everything I am saying about them is my personal opinion based on what I have seen from them on the court and their schedule. You are correct in everything you say, but if I was on the committee I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top line with their non-conference schedule. Gonzaga last year played people and played them away from home and played BYU and St. Mary's 5 times before the NCAA tournament. IMO, Wichita State's max seed is a 2 seed and that is if they go undefeated. If they are on the top line the committee should make Kansas their 2 seed if Kansas stays as hot as they are.
 
Alsacs said:
I don't disagree with you and think they will get a 2 seed, but everything I am saying about them is my personal opinion based on what I have seen from them on the court and their schedule. You are correct in everything you say, but if I was on the committee I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top line with their non-conference schedule. Gonzaga last year played people and played them away from home and played BYU and St. Mary's 5 times before the NCAA tournament. IMO, Wichita State's max seed is a 2 seed and that is if they go undefeated. If they are on the top line the committee should make Kansas their 2 seed if Kansas stays as hot as they are.
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I will agree with that. No worse than a 2 seed
 
Marsh01 said:
Right now the Bracket Matrix has them #6 on the S curve and that was before Villanova lost last night. People are kidding themselves if they think this team is not getting a 1 or 2 seed if they go unbeaten. I will bet my golf clubs on it.
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I'll take that bet. I would love to put my golf clubs against yours for this scenario.
 
hey i'm not blaming wichita state for scheduling so light.it is what it is. i'm just saying in no way will they be rewarded with a #1 seed for running thru so light a gauntlet. it'd just be a way too dangerous precedent to set
and send the absolute wrong message about OCC scheduling strength.
 
Alsacs said:
I don't disagree with you and think they will get a 2 seed, but everything I am saying about them is my personal opinion based on what I have seen from them on the court and their schedule. You are correct in everything you say, but if I was on the committee I wouldn't put them anywhere near the top line with their non-conference schedule. Gonzaga last year played people and played them away from home and played BYU and St. Mary's 5 times before the NCAA tournament. IMO, Wichita State's max seed is a 2 seed and that is if they go undefeated. If they are on the top line the committee should make Kansas their 2 seed if Kansas stays as hot as they are.
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The Committee will not punish a mid major for schedule like they do to power conference teams. If Wichita St goes undefeated they will get no worse than a#2 seed and, depending on how many loses the other elite teams take, they could get a #1 with some breaks. I also don't agree with it but that is the way the Committee has been moving in recent years. That Wichita St made the FF last year proving their legitimacy as a quality team also is a big factor.
 
Madbiker said:
The Committee will not punish a mid major for schedule like they do to power conference teams. If Wichita St goes undefeated they will get no worse than a#2 seed and, depending on how many loses the other elite teams take, they could get a #1 with some breaks. I also don't agree with it but that is the way the Committee has been moving in recent years. That Wichita St made the FF last year proving their legitimacy as a quality team also is a big factor.
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If the committee rewards Wichita State with a 1 seed with that logic. If I was in a power conference I would NEVER play a road game, and just beat nobody and rack up wins they go 1 or 2 above .500 and your in the tournament. Wichita State best wins against are @St. Louis, @Alabama, Tennessee, BYU, DePaul and Creighton left the MVC this season. Their resume is an insult to Gonzaga last year who beat West Virginia, Clemson, Oklahoma, @Washington State, Kansas State, Baylor, @Oklahoma State and lost 2 games @Butler on a last second miracle, and Illinois. Gonzaga also beat St. Mary's 3 times and BYU 2 times. Wichita State's resume IS NO WHERE NEAR Gonzaga's and Gonzaga got the 4th 1 seed with teams like Ohio State B1G co-regular season and tournament champions, Miami regular season and tournament ACC champion, Georgetown(lol FGCU), Duke on the 2 line with impressive resumes.

Wichita State belongs NO WHERE near the 1 line and honestly I wouldn't give them a 2 seed even though that is where the committee would put them. If nobody will play you home/home Wichita State then play in the Jimmy V Classic, or play Kansas in Kansas City in a paycheck game and earn your respect.
 
These girls have something to say about all this:


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Its a tough call by the comitee.
They have a great margin of victory on top of being unblemished, they are really high in fg% and 24th in country in rebounds, but they have only played @ alabama, tennesee, depual and byu. No really good midmajors and no ranked teams. Experts have said they are even better then last year.

As long as its not a 1 its fair.
Either way they would probably end up playing the 2 or the 3 in the same bracket in the round of 16 anyway.

Bama is 8 and 9
tennesee 11 and 6 but it was @ home
Depaul is not good and BYU is 11-8(they lost 4 straight on the road recently)

WSU is a returning final four team and they schedule a schedule like that, then penalize them for it. Especially being a veteran final four team that, returns most of their squad, knows they will be good, and loses their best rivals in conference this year. They played together all last year, they should have not been afraid to schedule some good competition that is just starting to play together early in the season.
 
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Alsacs said:
If the committee rewards Wichita State with a 1 seed with that logic. If I was in a power conference I would NEVER play a road game, and just beat nobody and rack up wins they go 1 or 2 above .500 and your in the tournament. Wichita State best wins against are @St. Louis, @Alabama, Tennessee, BYU, DePaul and Creighton left the MVC this season. Their resume is an insult to Gonzaga last year who beat West Virginia, Clemson, Oklahoma, @Washington State, Kansas State, Baylor, @Oklahoma State and lost 2 games @Butler on a last second miracle, and Illinois. Gonzaga also beat St. Mary's 3 times and BYU 2 times. Wichita State's resume IS NO WHERE NEAR Gonzaga's and Gonzaga got the 4th 1 seed with teams like Ohio State B1G co-regular season and tournament champions, Miami regular season and tournament ACC champion, Georgetown(lol FGCU), Duke on the 2 line with impressive resumes.

Wichita State belongs NO WHERE near the 1 line and honestly I wouldn't give them a 2 seed even though that is where the committee would put them. If nobody will play you home/home Wichita State then play in the Jimmy V Classic, or play Kansas in Kansas City in a paycheck game and earn your respect.
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I totally agree with you!
 
If they go undefeated, and win their conference tournament, the committee will give them a 1 seed. The explanation will be they beat everyone they played, not their fault major teams didn't, or wouldn't play them.
 
baggerbob said:
If they go undefeated, and win their conference tournament, the committee will give them a 1 seed. The explanation will be they beat everyone they played, not their fault major teams didn't, or wouldn't play them.
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WSU's toughest win is tennesee at home, second toughest is @ a 8-9 alabama squad after that they will beat maybe 2-4 nit teams including nit longshots byu(11-8) and depaul.
Not deserving of a 1 win or lose.

I can see the commitee penalizing them for it. They knew they weren't sneaking up on anyone this year.
There is a huge margin between a one and two, not as big a margin between 2 and 3.
 
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Lawrinson14 said:
I was curious about them potentially going undefeated and getting a #1 seed, so I looked up their remaining schedule:

@Illinios State
Drake
Loyola Chicago
Evansville
@Indiana St
@UNI
Southern Illinois

:eek:
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How can they be taken seriously when they have a syracusefan.com poster on their remaining schedule? And one with no posts, to boot!
 
orangefan13 said:
WSU's toughest win is tennesee at home, second toughest is @ a 8-9 alabama squad after that they will beat maybe 2-4 nit teams including nit longshots byu(11-8) and depaul.
Not deserving of a 1 win or lose.

I can see the commitee penalizing them for it. They knew they weren't sneaking up on anyone this year.
There is a huge margin between a one and two, not as big a margin between 2 and 3.
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@ SLU is by far there best win.
 
St Joe's was undefeated (and #1 in the country) in 2004 and got a 1 seed. WSU could be in a very similar situation. A10 is typically a little better than the MVC though.

If WSU climbs to #1 in the country would they be left off of the 1 seed line?
 
Lawrinson14 said:
I was curious about them potentially going undefeated and getting a #1 seed, so I looked up their remaining schedule:

@Illinios State
Drake
Loyola Chicago
Evansville
@Indiana St
@UNI
Southern Illinois

:eek:
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they will lose one of these, also this is not their full remaining schedule
 

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