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Message: [QUOTE="jordoo, post: 2240683, member: 569"] These things are only going to get worse. Lets be realistic, the percentage of times the ball being marking and replacing in exactly the same position are pretty close to zero. Allowing players to mark, clean and place the ball is already allowing them to improve their lie. I don't understand why you should penalize the player if the ball is very close to the original position unless its obviously closer to the hole. Even then 2 strokes is excessive. It should be one stroke and none if no one tells you before signing your card. Maybe they can come up with some special marker that everyone has to use so its universal and easier to tell that the position is close enough to its original spot. The one that gets me the most is when the balls move on the green while the player is addressing it. There are times when the player has done nothing to make it move bit it moves. The greens are often so slick that you don't even need wind to move it they just move. Sometimes they let the player remark and replace with no penalty other times its a 2 stroke penalty. I get that they want to have an even playing field and keep the integrity of the rules but the conditions sometimes make it impossible for the player. I remember that Dustin Johnson final round US open penalty. They inform him while he's playing that he might get a penalty. If I'm him I stop and say I'm not playing another shot until you decide. I'm in the the lead half way through the final round of the US open. Its either a penalty or its not. The fact that they weren't sure makes it a complete joke. They are lucky Johnson bailed them out and won by 3 so they could give him a 2 stroke penalty and it wasn't a big deal. I was shocked by how they handled it and even more shocked that he continued to play. No way Jack would have kept playing. He would have asked for an immediate ruling before continuing. [/QUOTE]

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