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We'll see! Who knows, maybe by next summer we won't have a spot for him or he'll want to go somewhere he can play more.
He was. He was at the football gameNot sure how accurate this is but I heard the staff has had quite a few visitors over the last few weeks with only White and Smith being publicly known ahead of time.
Seems like this guy was one.
Okay, there is no connection to us not getting anyone with us taking this kid. We have had our eye on him for a while. Thought Marq might offer and if they did, we didn't want to spend the effort recruiting him because he would go there. They didn't. We pounced. Now, the good news is that he can shoot. And that he is probably still growing. His dad is 6'8. And he has grown 3 inches in the last year. He needs to get stronger but he could see some time next year because he can shoot. He isn't a 5 star recruit. But, he didn't cost a lot either. This has nothing to do with Anthony. I expect us to sign him. Guys, it's okay to get guys like this.
Guys often get clumsy for a while after growing three inches so quickly. It can make guys look less athletic while they are figuring things out.That type of growth spurt might explain the level / caliber of offers.
A 6-2 shooting guard is different than a 6-5 guy who might still be growing.
Okay, there is no connection to us not getting anyone with us taking this kid. We have had our eye on him for a while. Thought Marq might offer and if they did, we didn't want to spend the effort recruiting him because he would go there. They didn't. We pounced. Now, the good news is that he can shoot. And that he is probably still growing. His dad is 6'8. And he has grown 3 inches in the last year. He needs to get stronger but he could see some time next year because he can shoot. He isn't a 5 star recruit. But, he didn't cost a lot either. This has nothing to do with Anthony. I expect us to sign him. Guys, it's okay to get guys like this.
so is Abaev still on the table?Okay, there is no connection to us not getting anyone with us taking this kid. We have had our eye on him for a while. Thought Marq might offer and if they did, we didn't want to spend the effort recruiting him because he would go there. They didn't. We pounced. Now, the good news is that he can shoot. And that he is probably still growing. His dad is 6'8. And he has grown 3 inches in the last year. He needs to get stronger but he could see some time next year because he can shoot. He isn't a 5 star recruit. But, he didn't cost a lot either. This has nothing to do with Anthony. I expect us to sign him. Guys, it's okay to get guys like this.
First, all for taking a flyer with a kid that may need time to develop if he has some upside and some core skills. Have the schollies, use them.
But let's all be very real - even if this kid was a take, having him be the SF we land without Shon, Frost or Jemison is not good.
I don't want to hear about the portal. We have no proof we can land a high profile guy unless there are significant extenuating circumstances.
No Shon, Frost, Jemison, Tillery or Acaden.
Nothing against this kid, because I don't mind the take - you have schollies, use them like I said. But don't try to tell me Red is killing it. Don't tell me how tall this kid's dad is. There is some serious copium going on in this thread. Winners get it done.
We have to hope to make the tourney this year. And as of now, that is what we're looking at again for a benchmark next year.
And I will re-state: I don't mind taking a chance on this kid. But miss me with all the other stuff.
Take a breathe man. So retaining Bell and adding Davis and Taylor wasnt quality to you for portal activity while only have one slot to really “sell” because Donnie has the 4 locked locked locked upFirst, all for taking a flyer with a kid that may need time to develop if he has some upside and some core skills. Have the schollies, use them.
But let's all be very real - even if this kid was a take, having him be the SF we land without Shon, Frost or Jemison is not good.
I don't want to hear about the portal. We have no proof we can land a high profile guy unless there are significant extenuating circumstances.
No Shon, Frost, Jemison, Tillery or Acaden.
Nothing against this kid, because I don't mind the take - you have schollies, use them like I said. But don't try to tell me Red is killing it. Don't tell me how tall this kid's dad is. There is some serious copium going on in this thread. Winners get it done.
We have to hope to make the tourney this year. And as of now, that is what we're looking at again for a benchmark next year.
And I will re-state: I don't mind taking a chance on this kid. But miss me with all the other stuff.
Take a breathe man. So retaining Bell and adding Davis and Taylor wasnt quality to you for portal activity while only have one slot to really “sell” because Donnie has the 4 locked locked locked up
Yeah when looking back at the last 5 years, avg recruiting has led to average resultsI am going to say this again so people don't think I'm a hater - I have loved Red since he was in high school. I cannot stress how much I want him to succeed.
But here is my point: I'm done convincing myself that we still have a legit chance at being a second tier elite team anymore or that it's in our near future. And that is my expectation for Syracuse because that is what I grew up with.
I get that this is not all Red's fault. I get that he has to build up out of the muck. I get what JB left him with.
And if we are the team that is just happy making the tournament and that's what the majority of the fan base is good with, I'll shut up.
But I don't think it is. And I do not find it acceptable that Davis and Taylor are who we got. I do not find it acceptable that we missed on Acaden, Tillery (and even worse if we were never in it), Jemison, Shon and Strong. I don't. If I am being unfair, I get it. I'm just a fan. Who cares what I think, ya know? And I'm saying that seriously with no snark. If we can't sell Syracuse because we got one top ten kid (who is, to be very clear, not on the top tier level of the other top players like Flagg, Harper, Edgecomb), then let's just pack it in for ever being elite.
But I don't want to hear how if 7 things happen right for this kid, he may be good for us. I want to get great players and then if this kid hits, it just puts us over the top.
I love this team. I love the school. I love Red. I will convince myself that this Womack kid will hit a growth spurt and end up our DerMarr Johnson because I am insane. But right now, in a sober time of assessment and reflection, no way.
This is a really good post. Now let's hope we can win enough games this year to convince more kids we can be what we used to be.I am going to say this again so people don't think I'm a hater - I have loved Red since he was in high school. I cannot stress how much I want him to succeed.
But here is my point: I'm done convincing myself that we still have a legit chance at being a second tier elite team anymore or that it's in our near future. And that is my expectation for Syracuse because that is what I grew up with.
I get that this is not all Red's fault. I get that he has to build up out of the muck. I get what JB left him with.
And if we are the team that is just happy making the tournament and that's what the majority of the fan base is good with, I'll shut up.
But I don't think it is. And I do not find it acceptable that Davis and Taylor are who we got. I do not find it acceptable that we missed on Acaden, Tillery (and even worse if we were never in it), Jemison, Shon and Strong. I don't. If I am being unfair, I get it. I'm just a fan. Who cares what I think, ya know? And I'm saying that seriously with no snark. If we can't sell Syracuse because we got one top ten kid (who is, to be very clear, not on the top tier level of the other top players like Flagg, Harper, Edgecomb), then let's just pack it in for ever being elite.
But I don't want to hear how if 7 things happen right for this kid, he may be good for us. I want to get great players and then if this kid hits, it just puts us over the top.
I love this team. I love the school. I love Red. I will convince myself that this Womack kid will hit a growth spurt and end up our DerMarr Johnson because I am insane. But right now, in a sober time of assessment and reflection, no way.
why don't we let the portal guys play first before you pass judgement on "they aren't acceptable". Why do you think a class full of freshmen is going to make leaps and bounds in today's ncaam? There's not many 18 and 19 years old who do well in this current environment against 24 years olds especially a team full of them. I'm bullish on HS recruits these days, you win with a mixture sure but also you're completely forgetting that while we may miss on these HS recruits, they might end up being here eventually later down the road.I am going to say this again so people don't think I'm a hater - I have loved Red since he was in high school. I cannot stress how much I want him to succeed.
But here is my point: I'm done convincing myself that we still have a legit chance at being a second tier elite team anymore or that it's in our near future. And that is my expectation for Syracuse because that is what I grew up with.
I get that this is not all Red's fault. I get that he has to build up out of the muck. I get what JB left him with.
And if we are the team that is just happy making the tournament and that's what the majority of the fan base is good with, I'll shut up.
But I don't think it is. And I do not find it acceptable that Davis and Taylor are who we got. I do not find it acceptable that we missed on Acaden, Tillery (and even worse if we were never in it), Jemison, Shon and Strong. I don't. If I am being unfair, I get it. I'm just a fan. Who cares what I think, ya know? And I'm saying that seriously with no snark. If we can't sell Syracuse because we got one top ten kid (who is, to be very clear, not on the top tier level of the other top players like Flagg, Harper, Edgecomb), then let's just pack it in for ever being elite.
But I don't want to hear how if 7 things happen right for this kid, he may be good for us. I want to get great players and then if this kid hits, it just puts us over the top.
I love this team. I love the school. I love Red. I will convince myself that this Womack kid will hit a growth spurt and end up our DerMarr Johnson because I am insane. But right now, in a sober time of assessment and reflection, no way.
Frost played AAU and is tight with Brad Stevens’ kid and Stevens obviously coached Shrewsberry. That one is not on Red.The only thing I’m a bit perturbed with is that, once again, we let some 18 year olds play us and waste our time. I thought we learned our lessons here, but guess not. Or there’s a bigger plan none of us are privy to. We should have had Frost in the fold when things looked dicey with options A and B.
The thing I’m happy about with this commitment is that the kid wants to be here, and there is a lot to be said for that in today’s college sports environment. As someone already said, you need committed program kids, and this one has upside. I think all the doom and gloom posts are because of how many times we’ve been burned by options A and B, but also having players who just aren’t ready for prime time as frosh or sophs. We’ve all swallowed too many of those pills over the years.