Class of 2022 - SG Chance Westry (PA / AZ Compass Prep) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/17/23) | Page 88 | Syracusefan.com

Class of 2022 SG Chance Westry (PA / AZ Compass Prep) TRANSFERRING TO SYRACUSE (4/17/23)

They brought in 4 transfers with just 2 freshmen. One transfer is their 3rd leading scorer and another shoots 44% from 3. So out of their 9 man rotation four played for other schools last year.

Their 3rd leading scorer? Oh wow then that settles it.

Cole Swider was our 2nd or 3rd leading scorer to. There's a little more going on than just 'pound the portal." That losing Syracuse team only had 1 freshman and 3 portal kids.
 
Their 3rd leading scorer? Oh wow then that settles it.

Cole Swider was our 2nd or 3rd leading scorer to. There's a little more going on than just 'pound the portal." That losing Syracuse team only had 1 freshman and 3 portal kids.
Ok, so transfers didn’t help UConn at all. They would have been just as good going after 4 freshmen:rolleyes:.
 
The point is that we didn’t use the portal at all, except to find a backup center. You have to do both (build the roster with both high school recruiting and the portal) and JB didn’t bother with the latter (except for a backup center). Recruiting a base of Sox freshman is great. But There was a need to find a starting level small forward last spring and JB didn’t do it and we paid the price. He also could have lobbied Cole to return and he didn’t bother with that either. All the assistants were telling him that we needed to get an experienced, proven forward from the portal. JB became very stubborn at the end. There’s no denying that.
Hind sight is 20-20. Had bell been a 13-14 a game guy shooting 40% from behind the line this would’ve never been a discussion. I’m not sure who was available to cuse last year so I can’t begin to guess whether or not they chased in the portal. It seems like it’s more active this year, yet still no scoring forward, if they dont get one will red be called lazy?
 
Ok, so transfers didn’t help UConn at all. They would have been just as good going after 4 freshmen:rolleyes:.

Nobody said they didn't help. But, growing the current freshman is better imo that transfers who are no better than the current freshman, soon to be sophomores. Bring in Dickinson would be great, Westry is an unknown commodity at this point. Hasn't shown anything. Love him or hate him Bell actually averaged 6.6 and shot 40% over an ACC season as a freshman.
 
Hind sight is 20-20. Had bell been a 13-14 a game guy shooting 40% from behind the line this would’ve never been a discussion. I’m not sure who was available to cuse last year so I can’t begin to guess whether or not they chased in the portal. It seems like it’s more active this year, yet still no scoring forward, if they dont get one will red be called lazy?
Most posters on the main board wanted to take a transfer SF last offseason because most posters did not think any of the freshmen outside of Mintz were ready to produce numbers like that. What happened this past year was not a surprise.

It's refreshing to see HCAA go after transfers like Westry even if I don't think he's very good.
 
Most posters on the main board wanted to take a transfer SF last offseason because most posters did not think any of the freshmen outside of Mintz were ready to produce numbers like that. What happened this past year was not a surprise.

It's refreshing to see HCAA go after transfers like Westry even if I don't think he's very good.
I am not saying it was a surprise, but there also needed to actually be someone for Syracuse to go after.
 
Based on the transfers that Miami and UConn took there were. We just didn't offer them.
Could be true, could be they didn't pick up the phone. Entirely possible that syracuse was not an attractive destination last year. The situation is bad regardless, but I am not in the know enough to claim we didn't do something so matter-of-factly
 
They brought in 4 transfers with just 2 freshmen. One transfer is their 3rd leading scorer and another shoots 44% from 3. So out of their 9 man rotation four played for other schools last year.
They had 5 players enter the portal plus they lost 4 seniors - 9 in total were gone from last year’s team.
 
I was basically president of the Maliq Brown fan club, but we need to level up on talent across the board.

So, with that noted, what's the deal with Chance? A player like him seems perfect as a wing for us and can pair well with JJ and Judah.

We need more defense, more guys that can dribble and create, more athleticism.

I know we all want dead eye shooters to re-create the 2017 Golden St Warriors, but we need more than just that.
 
Hind sight is 20-20. Had bell been a 13-14 a game guy shooting 40% from behind the line this would’ve never been a discussion. I’m not sure who was available to cuse last year so I can’t begin to guess whether or not they chased in the portal. It seems like it’s more active this year, yet still no scoring forward, if they dont get one will red be called lazy?
It’s not hindsight when many many posters on this board last spring were saying we needed at least one if not two experienced transfers to be a contender last season. It was talked about ad nauseum on here. There were reports that our assistants wanted to try to land at least one experienced forward out of the portal and JB said nope. Many posters who watched these kids in high school knew Bell and Taylor weren’t going to be ready for primetime. It was too risky to depend on freshman at that spot. This is about JB’s roster building negligence, pure and simple.
 
It’s not hindsight when many many posters on this board last spring were saying we needed at least one if not two experienced transfers to be a contender last season. It was talked about ad nauseum on here. There were reports that there assistants wanted to try to land at least one experienced forward out of the portal. Many posters who watched these kids in high school knew Bell and Taylor weren’t going to be ready for primetime. This is about JB’s roster building negligence, pure and simple. I’m not sure why you’re obsessed with making excuses for JB.
I’m not making excuses, I’m just stating an observation. JB has shown he was willing to take transfers in the past obviously something changed last year and he chose not to take any. There were no guarantees bell or Taylor would have been up to the task, but there were also no guarantees a 1 year rental would’ve been either. And we don’t even need to dive into whether or not there were even any options in the first place.
 
I was basically president of the Maliq Brown fan club, but we need to level up on talent across the board.

So, with that noted, what's the deal with Chance? A player like him seems perfect as a wing for us and can pair well with JJ and Judah.

We need more defense, more guys that can dribble and create, more athleticism.

I know we all want dead eye shooters to re-create the 2017 Golden St Warriors, but we need more than just that.

Ditto -- love his game. But he's not a shooter, and likely won't ever be. That doesn't mean that he can't be a quality, multi-year starter and a key contributor on future teams.

It's the coaching staff's job to recruit over him. And its Brown's job to ensure that he improves and doesn't let newcomers take his minutes.
 
Ditto -- love his game. But he's not a shooter, and likely won't ever be. That doesn't mean that he can't be a quality, multi-year starter and a key contributor on future teams.

It's the coaching staff's job to recruit over him. And its Brown's job to ensure that he improves and doesn't let newcomers take his minutes.

If you told me Maliq was basically a strong bench player for our team next year, I think that would be great. Smart player, in the right place, will produce... but hes not playing above the rim and hes not 6'10".
 
It is odd how many people want to hold onto the players from a 17-15 season.

At the same time I have mixed feelings about Westry. A year ago, we would have been thrilled with signing him. Now a year later were not sure. My thoughts are High school recruiting is for potential. The transfer portal is for production. JJ had some Fr production so I'm good with that move.

There are a lot of double digit, even 15 and 20 pts per game scorers out there that we should be pursuing but are not which concerns me that the old guard thinking and strategy is still around.
The Forth, Pace, Warrick group went to the NIT as freshmen. Good thing we held onto them.
 
We got who we got because our first choices turned us down. Back in the day other coaches lamented that they could not compete against us for recruits. My have times changed.
that was also a big part of it...but regardless boeheim wanted to build through recruiting freshman and eschewed the portal on principle

if you have to get recruits - and cant land the 5 stars - next best move is to go for the 4 year players a la villanova and uva...

i think now after this season it is clear that the portal is simply where its at for the best talent. but that hasnt always been obvious.

i think the recruiting class from last year - in a time before the portal - woulda been mega good - now, though, those types of players are much further down the totem pole unless you know they are staying around to build something then you might be able to lap the other teams playing the long game...

and i think thats exactly the way they thought it out

having a foundation of players that stick around from year to year for a while can be very valuable even in this era

i mean, portal players in a zone theyve never played before? every season? i can understand why JB didnt want that

if they decided - rightly or wrongly - that they couldnt build a top team overnight - then building slowly makes the most sense.

I also think he would feel grimey taking players from less scucessful coaches trying to grind it out to the top...i truly think he didnt want to play that game.

all that said, I hope red crushes the portal asap
 
Why is it crazy to think that Westry might be a better player than Copeland? I loved the attitude that Quadir showed rooting on his teammates and whenever he got in the court he gave it everything. I am confident that he can become a good college player. But what did he do that was so great last year that demonstrates that we should ignore a guy that we prioritized over him a year ago like Westry?
High pressure D I want Copeland in the game.
 
I get what you're saying but not sure it's exactly right. Think JB was trying to replenish the cupboard in his way. We were all happy when every one of those guys committed.
But, yes. No coach going forward will do it that way.
We could have and should have done both!
 
Copeland has always been regarded as a poor defender. I’m not sure why people are now thinking he‘s some kind of defensive wonder?
He made a lot of mistakes like fouling 3-point shooters, but I think he can be a good defender. Love his energy, length and athleticism in the press -- he'll force turnovers. I'm very high on Copeland and think he'll develop into a great player for Red.
 

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