Shady's Name Is on a List To Replace

[TexanMark]

Do you think Rutgers would ever fire him based on his team's on field performance?

I just can't see that, unless the NJ football hating power group threatened to drop the program to 1AA. And at that point, they'd have bigger problems anyway.

Nope...Greggie has NJ and the taxpayers by the short ones...these guaranteed long term contracts are ludicrous. All of them including Marrone's.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

i hear butch jones.

Herad the same from a buddy in Chicago who is an Illinois guy

 

[IthacaBarrel]

:rolling:

He was offered the Michigan job prior to RichRod

 

[Townie72]

He was offered the Michigan job prior to RichRod

Says who?

Schiano may have been contacted to see if he were interested. But at that time they were just constructing a list of potential candidates. That's a long way from turning down an offer, since there was no offer.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

John Bacon, UM football journalist who has covered Michigan football for many many years, written several books on UM. It's in the Three and Out book on RichRod. they offered, he accepted and then slept on it and he turned it down. I know it's popular to just bash everything Schiano but I believe this to be true, he was somewhat of a commodity at one point. Bacon has nothing to gain from writing this and he is pretty well connected especially with the AD at the time. Now, can I say this 100%? No, but I believe it to be true unless somebody can prove me wrong

People love to just bash everything Schiano

 

[Townie72]

Ron Zook at Illinois per local NJ radio. Would be sad to seem him go. While he has given us some stiff competition on the recruiting trail, his rep as a game day coach is mediocre at best. For my two cents I do not see him making the jump.

I have just sent a letter to the Washington Post stating that I am not interested in becoming the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, a member of the Supreme Court or the next Archduke of Sarajevo.

The fact that I am not a credible candidate for any of those jobs, is of no importance. By saying I am not interested, I can fool a few people into thinking I might have been actually considered.

With his lackluster record, there's no way Schiano is a candidate for any good college job. Unlike the desperate Rutgers fan base, Big Ten ADs aren't stupid. The guys record is poor and is loaded up with wins over the worst IAAs and lots of What losses.

Greggie knows there's no way he'll get a job like this, so he says he isn't interested. It's a transparent ploy.

Schiano's great talent is as a shameless sales person. He takes recruits from Florida on field trips to NYC and suggest to them that somehow this is an extension of the RU campus. With all those campuses and those buses ferrying students between them, its almost plausible.

Schiano saying he's not interested in the Illinois job is akin to his statements on winning a NC. It's pure nonsense.
He's got two huge problems.

The first is that Rutgers appears pointed directly at C-USA II. Their future conference situation is an upcoming disaster in terms of both "visibility" and revenue. And he's the one that insisted on the stadium expansion RU couldn't afford before the latest conference shake-up. Of course, he continues to BS the gullible by telling them "Rutgers will be fine" suggesting that there's a ticket to the B1G or the ACC or The Big12 that he knows about and is on the way.

The other big problem is that the "someday" he's been telling people about since he got to Rutgers seems no closer than it was 10 years ago. It was always an empty promise, but the dopey Rutgers fans --- most of them new to college football --- bought it. And now some of them are starting to ask when will this "someday" actually get here.

Most of these them, however, are still grateful for Schiano's lifting them from horrible to mediocre. But even they have thought that "mediocre" was a station on the way to being great. They didn't realize that it was the end of the line.

 

[RRRUUU]

John Bacon, UM football journalist who has covered Michigan football for many many years, written several books on UM. It's in the Three and Out book on RichRod. they offered, he accepted and then slept on it and he turned it down. I know it's popular to just bash everything Schiano but I believe this to be true, he was somewhat of a commodity at one point. Bacon has nothing to gain from writing this and he is pretty well connected especially with the AD at the time. Now, can I say this 100%? No, but I believe it to be true unless somebody can prove me wrong

People love to just bash everything Schiano

It is true that Schiano was offered and accepted the Michigan job before sleeping on it and chosing to stay at Rutgers the next morning.

Most everyone here were predicting Rutgers to finish dead last this year and we were playing for a conference championship the last game of the season. We have a young team and recruiting has never been better.

As IB said, GS will always get trashed here...oh well.

 

[bnoro]

It is true that Schiano was offered and accepted the Michigan job before sleeping on it and chosing to stay at Rutgers the next morning.

Most everyone here were predicting Rutgers to finish dead last this year and we were playing for a conference championship the last game of the season. We have a young team and recruiting has never been better.

As IB said, GS will always get trashed here...oh well.

You were playing for a share, you had no chance at the BCS berth, and choked. Too bad you won't win one until WVU, Cuse, and Pitt are all gone...

 

[RRRUUU]

You were playing for a share, you had no chance at the BCS berth, and choked. Too bad you won't win one until WVU, Cuse, and Pitt are all gone...

Actually had WV lost to Pitt(was close) or to SF this week we would have also gotten a BCS berth because we would have been the highest ranked team tied for first.

You are in dead last and havn't held RU back from anything for the last decade. We have beaten Pitt more often then not lately(including the beating we gave them this year). WV is the only team of the three that has been a problem.

 

[SU2NASA]

Citing two unnamed sources, the Home News Tribune reports that Schiano has “no interest” in the Illini opening and that the 11-year head coach is “extremely happy” with his current situation. One of those sources cited Schiano turning down previous and presumably better opportunities as evidence that he wouldn’t jump at a midlevel Big Ten job now.

“He took a team this year that was picked last in the Big East and had them contending for the league title in the final game of the season,” the source said. “He has most of his top (players) back and their recruiting is going better than ever. Why would he leave now for Illinois when he didn’t leave for Miami or Michigan before?​

“The answer is he isn’t (leaving).”​

He's always wanted to be a coach in ConferenceUSA.

 

[SU2NASA]

Actually had WV lost to Pitt(was close) or to SF this week we would have also gotten a BCS berth because we would have been the highest ranked team tied for first.

You are in dead last and havn't held RU back from anything for the last decade. We have beaten Pitt more often then not lately(including the beating we gave them this year). WV is the only team of the three that has been a problem.

Have fun being a mid-major. Clown.

 

[DeepThrowIt]

With his lackluster record, there's no way Schiano is a candidate for any good college job. Unlike the desperate Rutgers fan base, Big Ten ADs aren't stupid. The guys record is poor and is loaded up with wins over the worst IAAs and lots of What losses.

Disagree. His name will continue to come up with programs (such as Illinois) who need a "program-builder" to come in and rectify their current situation. While his W-L is not impressive, you have to take into consideration how bad Rutgers was when he got there. And no, the Cuse situation two years ago does not compare.


Greggie knows there's no way he'll get a job like this, so he says he isn't interested. It's a transparent ploy.

Ploy for what? More money? There is no more money. You'd be silly to think he doesn't know that.

Schiano's great talent is as a shameless sales person. He takes recruits from Florida on field trips to NYC and suggest to them that somehow this is an extension of the RU campus. With all those campuses and those buses ferrying students between them, its almost plausible.

I wish HCDM would spend more time thinking outside of the box with regards to recruiting. If SU was located within 30 miles of campus, I hope they'd do the same thing. Maryland did it in DC, Northwestern does it in Chicago, etc...


Schiano saying he's not interested in the Illinois job is akin to his statements on winning a NC. It's pure nonsense.
He's got two huge problems.

What is he supposed to say? "We are going to win third place in the conference every year." Come on. Same argument with Rex Ryan. I want my coach to think he can win Super Bowls or National Championships. Now backing it up is another thing.


The first is that Rutgers appears pointed directly at C-USA II. Their future conference situation is an upcoming disaster in terms of both "visibility" and revenue. And he's the one that insisted on the stadium expansion RU couldn't afford before the latest conference shake-up. Of course, he continues to BS the gullible by telling them "Rutgers will be fine" suggesting that there's a ticket to the B1G or the ACC or The Big12 that he knows about and is on the way.

Your first legitimate fair statement.

The other big problem is that the "someday" he's been telling people about since he got to Rutgers seems no closer than it was 10 years ago. It was always an empty promise, but the dopey Rutgers fans --- most of them new to college football --- bought it. And now some of them are starting to ask when will this "someday" actually get here.

Another good point with "when will someday actually get here." However your statement that RU is no closer than it was is ludicrous. They were playing for a share of the Big East title in the twelfth game of their season. That has NEVER happened before.

Most of these them, however, are still grateful for Schiano's lifting them from horrible to mediocre. But even they have thought that "mediocre" was a station on the way to being great. They didn't realize that it was the end of the line.\

I tend to agree with this as well. Next year is the end all, be all of RU football. They will have 18 or 19 starters coming back. There will be no excuses. If he doesn't win next year, he never will (at Rutgers).

Here is the problem with the Syracuse and Rutgers jobs. Neither of these teams are "sexy" enough for top tier recruits. I was going to say "yet" but I don't know if this will ever happen. Schools like SU and RU need a Mike Leach-type to come in and make the programs exciting. Sell tickets, win games, graduate kids. Both schools struggle with getting the casual fan to a game. A high-powered offense solves this problem. Until then, both programs need to use whatever "smoke and mirrors" they can come up with to market their program. Unfortunately for SU, tradition doesn't sell as much as it used to. Especially when there is a ten year period of mediocrity.

 

[hinson32]

I realize Townie hates all things RU and Schiano but in this case he is 100% wrong. Not only was Schiano offered the Michigan job, but he accepted it. He called a 6am players meeting to tell the about it and had a plane at Teterboro ready to head to Ann Arbor. He changed his mind on the way to or at the meeting and decided to stay. Believe what you want to believe.

 

[orangepassion]

It is true that Schiano was offered and accepted the Michigan job before sleeping on it and chosing to stay at Rutgers the next morning.

Most everyone here were predicting Rutgers to finish dead last this year and we were playing for a conference championship the last game of the season. We have a young team and recruiting has never been better.

As IB said, GS will always get trashed here...oh well.

Practically the whole conference was playing for the conference championship last week.

 

[Townie72]

I realize Townie hates all things RU and Schiano but in this case he is 100% wrong. Not only was Schiano offered the Michigan job, but he accepted it. He called a 6am players meeting to tell the about it and had a plane at Teterboro ready to head to Ann Arbor. He changed his mind on the way to or at the meeting and decided to stay. Believe what you want to believe.

No doubt he realized in the cold light of day that he is essentially a fraud and that he didn't have the knowledge or skills necessary to succeed at Michigan. Looks like he made a good decision as Rodriguez, who actually has some credentials, failed miserably in Ann Arbor.

He also probably realized that there is no dumber fan base than there is in and around New Brunswick, NJ. Why give up a gold mine of people so desperate to believe and so new to mid-level college football? The guy goes 4-8 in his 10th year and people in the stands are grinning like jackasses eating sticker bushes. It's a con man's Nirvana there.

Schiano's career is on a downward path as Rutgers slides inexorably into Conference USA #2. He may be on some early lists for jobs along with dozens of others, but his time disapppeared shortly after 2006.

As a native NJ --- albeit from the Borough of Princeton - an oasis among strip malls and crumbling factories and chemical plants --- I was always amazed at how high the average sports fan puts the bar of success. To get any respect at all you have to be at the top of the best leagues. Rider or The College of NJ or whatever school could win 100 games straight in a sport and it'd barely make the paper.

If Rutgers had become Miami in football while there was still a credible Big East Conference, it might have engendered some excitement. But they didn't and winning a Conference full of ECU's, and USF's and Cincy's isn't going to impress anyone in NJ. It isn't the "Big Time" that New Jerseyans have to have.

I don't "hate" Rutgers. I just don't have any respect for the place or any of their sports teams.

In my youth I used to see Rutgers try and have a "rivalry" with Princeton and came to town and painted a lot of stuff red. They always played the first game of the season. The Princeton people --- who really do have actual rivalries with Harvard and Yale and Penn -- didn't feel there was any rivalry at all with the State college in New Brunswick. No PU student ever went to New Brunswick and painted anything orange.

 

[Townie72]

Here is the problem with the Syracuse and Rutgers jobs. Neither of these teams are "sexy" enough for top tier recruits. I was going to say "yet" but I don't know if this will ever happen. Schools like SU and RU need a Mike Leach-type to come in and make the programs exciting. Sell tickets, win games, graduate kids. Both schools struggle with getting the casual fan to a game. A high-powered offense solves this problem. Until then, both programs need to use whatever "smoke and mirrors" they can come up with to market their program. Unfortunately for SU, tradition doesn't sell as much as it used to. Especially when there is a ten year period of mediocrity.

A couple of problems with your post.

I live in DC. The University of Maryland is a huge factor in DC. The campus sits just about on the border of DC. The Washington Post covers UM intensively. Rutgers is 30 hard miles from Manhattan. And is the student-athletes can get there, they couldn't afford anything anyway.

And Dick McPherson did pretty well at SU without an electric offense. Steve Spurrier is not an alternative. Marrone is here for a long time.

 

[qdawgg]

People love to just bash everything Schiano

As you like to bash everything Marrone.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

If offered he'd be crazy to turn it down. He's reached the ceiling at Rutgers.

Would be hysterical too. Rutgers would finally be getting into the Big Ten... sorta. :rolling:

He'd be crazy to turn it down for two reasons; 1) as you say, he has reached his ceiling at rutgers. Smoke and mirrors only goes so far, and 2) he'd be going to a BCS school instead of staying at a school that may shortly not be in a BCS conference

 

[IthacaBarrel]

As you like to bash everything Marrone.

Not true, I hate Doug's offense, don't think he can recruit but I have always said he represents the University very well and tells it like it is. I also think he isn't winning enough, but I don't bash all things Marrone like people do Schiano here. I never got that

 

[qdawgg]

Not true, I hate Doug's offense, don't think he can recruit but I have always said he represents the University very well and tells it like it is. I also think he isn't winning enough, but I don't bash all things Marrone like people do Schiano here. I never got that

Alright fair enough. But you have to agree that after a loss you are a very angry man and hate Coach Marrone.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Alright fair enough. But you have to agree that after a loss you are a very angry man and hate Coach Marrone.

I don't hate any coach for losing a game, look I have met Marrone several times, the guy is a great guy, hell of a nice guy, loves Syracuse and I like that about him. However, at the end of the day 5-7 in the Big East, year 3 is not good enough not even close. I don't see Doug having a big upside, I am sorry, I just don't but I don't hate the man, never will. I just don't think he is a great and somedays even a very good head football coach.

But the way I see it, college football is a business, these guys make a ton of money to be sucessful, what sucess is needs to be clearly defined by the AD. That said, if next year is a losing season, I firmly believe that Marrone should be let go. I have been extremely discouarged this year with the progress out there, it's been a terrible year and we are lucky to have 5 wins. I am sure Marrone is too. That is the business they work in, not me. Funny thing is, Doug would be the first guy to tell you that. No free lunch.