Shafer: "Tim's our offensive coordinator moving forward."

[IthacaBarrel]

Millhouse is the most negative poster on the board. It gets old and I wish he would root for someone else. I have been an SU fan since 1971 s I have been through a lot of bad years. I think Shaf should at least get four years with his recruits. Changing coaches constantly just shows lack of character for a private university. Lets be honest, not big time coach will come to SU and even if they did it would be just a stepping stone. So the most we would get out of that would be three years before they moved to greener pastures.

Yes, nobody wanted the UCLA job or the Stanford job after quick hooks. I certainly don't want Shafer fired but the quick hook / no coach will want the job is crazy, I would take a golden parachute. The main reason Syracuse will never do this is because of the money it would cost to pay 2 head coaches for 2 years.

 

[dollarbill44]

Not what I wanted to hear. No knock on Lester, he was thrust into a very tough situation on the fly but I do not like his game calls if in fact, he's actually making the calls right now.

I gotta be honest, it kinda reads like a knock on Lester.

 

[Millhouse]

Yes, nobody wanted the UCLA job or the Stanford job after quick hooks. I certainly don't want Shafer fired but the quick hook / no coach will want the job is crazy, I would take a golden parachute. The main reason Syracuse will never do this is because of the money it would cost to pay 2 head coaches for 2 years.

if i had a nickel for everytime i heard about how stanford lacked class in how they treated walt harris i wouldn't have a nickel

 

[OttoinGrotto]

The truth is that you don't owe Lester anything - but Shafer does owe him a chance to really install his system.

I don't believe he does owe him that.

 

[GoSU96]

i'm on board with go's Philip Montgomery

matt lubick at oregon (i know, doubtful)

lincoln riley at ECU

i'm just googling good schemes with guys who might want a promotion

i don't know who's out there in FCS. i wouldn't make this list by myself if i represented SU

He was asking about OC's. That means Montgomery is out of the running.

You are looking at Non P5 OC's, P5/NFL QB or OL coaches primarily (once in a while you'll take a flyer on a WR/RB coach, crazy as that sounds (what's David Walker or Terry Richardson up to these days?)) , or lower level HC's/OC's, or the coaching waiver wire for OC's.

 

[Fjoinkay]

i'm on board with go's Philip Montgomery

matt lubick at oregon (i know, doubtful)

lincoln riley at ECU

i'm just googling good schemes with guys who might want a promotion

i don't know who's out there in FCS. i wouldn't make this list by myself if i represented SU

Earlier when you wrote that if GMac had been let go at the end of the season and SU could have done a normal search for an OC at the end of the season, you said Lester would be pretty far down on your list. I'm guessing Lester would have been pretty high on HCSS's list even under those circumstances. We will never know. Obviously, you would have disagreed with HCSS. I'm guessing Shafer would agree with you about some of the names you've Googled, but it's also about relationships and many other factors are at play.

Lester's resume is interesting to me. Also, FCS hires fail as much or more than they succeed it seems. While I'd be excited for SU to have any of your top 3 if possible, I have to give HCSS the benefit of the doubt here with Lester. It is possible that Lester will succeed. When HCSS promoted Lester he said that he was lucky to have Lester on his staff. He showed a lot of respect for Lester and confidence in the promotion, and I have to think under those circumstances with T-Hunt having gone down he believed he needed to make the change. Time will tell.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

i'm on board with go's Philip Montgomery

matt lubick at oregon (i know, doubtful)

lincoln riley at ECU

i'm just googling good schemes with guys who might want a promotion

i don't know who's out there in FCS. i wouldn't make this list by myself if i represented SU

Brian Scott, OC at Old Dominion

 

[Millhouse]

Brian Scott, OC at Old Dominion

sold

 

[OttoinGrotto]

sold

I still hold out hope for Wylder as HC some day.

I'm not rooting against Shafer, I just think Wylder in a Dome could be something special.

 

[TheCusian]

I don't believe he does owe him that.

1. No one said this was interim when the demotion/promotion took place.
2. It's not his system.
3. He hasn't had one week as OC where he wasn't preparing for a game that weekend.
4. He hasn't called a single game with the starting 5 on his oline. Or even 4 of the 5 at their original positions.
5. He hasn't called a single game with the guy who won the job in spring/fall camp at QB (where I'm sure he had a major say in starting Hunt).

 

[Millhouse]

1. No one said this was interim when the demotion/promotion took place.
2. It's not his system.
3. He hasn't had one week as OC where he wasn't preparing for a game that weekend.
4. He hasn't called a single game with the starting 5 on his oline. Or even 4 of the 5 at their original positions.
5. He hasn't called a single game with the guy who won the job in spring/fall camp at QB (where I'm sure he had a major say in starting Hunt).

6. so what

 

[Millhouse]

I still hold out hope for Wylder as HC some day.

I'm not rooting against Shafer, I just think Wylder in a Dome could be something special.

rob kramer at st john fisher is from oneida. they get 480 yards a game. maybe he'd take a qb coach job if people are worried about recruiting contacts

 

[Moontan]

I doubt that a current OC from another P5 team would make a lateral move to come here.

Some of those people will be unemployed in 5-6 weeks. Those that are would be interested.

 

[djorange1989]

If Illinois cleans house(iffy at this point), Shafer could forget about Lester really fast and call his buddy Cubit.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

1. No one said this was interim when the demotion/promotion took place.
2. It's not his system.
3. He hasn't had one week as OC where he wasn't preparing for a game that weekend.
4. He hasn't called a single game with the starting 5 on his oline. Or even 4 of the 5 at their original positions.
5. He hasn't called a single game with the guy who won the job in spring/fall camp at QB (where I'm sure he had a major say in starting Hunt).

Had this move been made before the season started, I would say Shafer owes it to Lester to let him carry out his vision of the offense.

That's not how it happened though. Mid-season adjustments are band aids to the long term plan. Since the adjustment was mid-season, Shafer owes it to Lester to let this season play out. Beyond that, decisions need to be made with the long term in mind.

I mentioned with Crusty not too long ago - if this staff was assembled with Lester as the OC from the begin, we would have all kinds of questions and reservations.

 

[Crusty]

Had this move been made before the season started, I would say Shafer owes it to Lester to let him carry out his vision of the offense.

That's not how it happened though. Mid-season adjustments are band aids to the long term plan. Since the adjustment was mid-season, Shafer owes it to Lester to let this season play out. Beyond that, decisions need to be made with the long term in mind.

I mentioned with Crusty not too long ago - if this staff was assembled with Lester as the OC from the begin, we would have all kinds of questions and reservations.

I am convinced that Lester was the insurance policy (plan B if you prefer) for McDonald who was hired for his recruiting chops but was an inexperienced OC. If McD failed - wave in the the right-hander.

If Lester had been hired as OC with his resume, everybody would have freaked out. Shafer is betting the ranch on him and Shafer knows it.

Its his skin so there it is.

 

[GoSU96]

If Illinois cleans house(iffy at this point), Shafer could forget about Lester really fast and call his buddy Cubit.

Just say no.

Lets just say the center for innovation is not some second division B10 program.

 

[TheCusian]

Had this move been made before the season started, I would say Shafer owes it to Lester to let him carry out his vision of the offense. That's not how it happened though. Mid-season adjustments are band aids to the long term plan. Since the adjustment was mid-season, Shafer owes it to Lester to let this season play out. Beyond that, decisions need to be made with the long term in mind. I mentioned with Crusty not too long ago - if this staff was assembled with Lester as the OC from the begin, we would have all kinds of questions and reservations.

I repeat: he was given the job mid season. It was never an interim job. Everyone assumed that it was interim, I think.

 

[TheCusian]

And if that was the case, he does owe him time to implement his system with a relative healthy team in the offseason.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I repeat: he was given the job mid season. It was never an interim job. Everyone assumed that it was interim, I think.

Well, then I openly question Shafer giving a job mid-season such that it guarantees future seasons.

 

[TheCusian]

6. so what

So maybe he disagreed with how McDonald was using him?

 

[NKR1978]

The truth is that you don't owe Lester anything - but Shafer does owe him a chance to really install his system. It might be due to friendship or whatever - but you're suggesting he throw his friend overboard after getting the job midseason, running someone else's system, etc.

The only entity Shafer owes anything to is his employer. Lester is a stopgap to replace an experiment gone horribly wrong and at this point it is pathetic to me that he doesn't see what the rest of us see.

We play in a Dome and yet can't put up any points. Our entire offensive staff should be up for firing. At this point, the fact these guys are his friends are going to be his downfall...and we're staring down Gerg 2.0.

 

[GoSU96]

and we're staring down Gerg 2.0.

Put the pipe down.

 

[Crusty]

Well, then I openly question Shafer giving a job mid-season such that it guarantees future seasons.

So do I. But it is his skin. He is betting his job on Lester. If he was that sure why didn't he give him the job to begin with?

 

[Chip]

You ever try to yell with a dome dog in your mouth?

Millhouse should start a thread about how good he is at navigating through a bag of popcorn with his hands when he has a dome dog in his mouth.

(that was a metaphor, it's a family environment in that Dome).