should we have gone for 2?

[upperdeck]

yes we want to get up 3. in reality there was no time for USF to get a FG attempt off without 1-2 penalties on SU.. but a kick block return or a INT return could have lost as the game and probably more likely than a 75 yard CAL type return.. at least we called a play Deep in the endzone and not another corner route that a DB could step in front of..

getting to 3 is on the chart, but with that little time is it really the best thing to try after all the emotion in the last min to come back.. one brain fart and we lose.. we had the VT with Mcnabb come down to a play like that years ago.

 

[TDTOrange]

Should have taken a knee. Only way to lose there was on a 2 point return on either an INT or blocked FG.

 

[rrlbees]

No we shouldn't have. Too happy about the win to post about a bonehead decision but the ONLY play that should have been run in that situation and that time left was for Ryan to take a knee.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

 

[PeteCalvin]

Yes. It was the right call. You have to go for two there. The play call could have been better, though.

 

[Frozen]

http://syracusefan.com/index.php?threads/Extra-point-seconds?.34672/#post-392387

 

[Frozen]

Yes. It was the right call. You have to go for two there. The play call could have been better, though.

Getting an extra point (or two) does not help. Just take a knee.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Going for 2 was better than kicking the PAT. It seemed to me no time ran off the clock. Did that play begin with 3 and somehow end with 3 seconds on the clock?

 

[SmilinBob]

With 3 seconds left all they could do was run a kickoff back for a td so the 1 or 2 points were moot and taking a chance on a block/return for a 2 point play was a path that should have not been taken.

 

[PeteCalvin]

No we shouldn't have. Too happy about the win to post about a bonehead decision but the ONLY play that should have been run in that situation and that time left was for Ryan to take a knee.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

Clock doesn't run on extra points. Not even 2-pt conversions. If you go back and watch the tape, the clock never moves. The clock automatically stops when the TD is scored. If anything, you can argue that we should have broken the plane with :00 on the clock, but that would be a silly argument in that situation. We needed the points.

Plus, the USF player did intercept the ball but threw it out of bounds before he came down. Not sure if the clock would start on an INT or not.

 

[Frozen]

Going for 2 was better than kicking the PAT. It seemed to me no time ran off the clock. Did that play begin with 3 and somehow end with 3 seconds on the clock?

The clock does not move on PATs or 2 pt. tries.

SU stood to gain nothing by going for 2 there. All risk, no reward.

 

[Frozen]

Clock doesn't run on extra points. Not even 2-pt conversions. If you go back and watch the tape, the clock never moves. The clock automatically stops when the TD is scored. If anything, you can argue that we should have broken the plane with :00 on the clock, but that would be a silly argument in that situation. We needed the points.

SU did not need the points. There were 3 secs on the clock. The only thing USF could do was take the kickoff back for a TD. Even if SU converts the 2 pt try, a kickoff return for a TD beats SU.

 

[orangetom]

With 3 seconds left all they could do was run a kickoff back for a td so the 1 or 2 points were moot and taking a chance on a block/return for a 2 point play was a path that should have not been taken.

That's exactly right! The only possible way to lose would have been for a two point return of a blocked kick or fumble/interception on a two point conversion attempt.

 

[rrlbees]

Yes. It was the right call. You have to go for two there. The play call could have been better, though.

Why? What does a 3 point lead get you? Risk was a 2 pt return. A USF FG wasn't going to come into play.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

 

[rrlbees]

Clock doesn't run on extra points. Not even 2-pt conversions. If you go back and watch the tape, the clock never moves. The clock automatically stops when the TD is scored. If anything, you can argue that we should have broken the plane with :00 on the clock, but that would be a silly argument in that situation. We needed the points.

Plus, the USF player did intercept the ball but threw it out of bounds before he came down. Not sure if the clock would start on an INT or not.

Yes, the clock does not run in an XP play. But that isn't a factor.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk 2

 

[masonorange]

Don't forget the game can't end on a defensive penalty. So if they returned the kick onto our side of the field and we got, say, an unnecessary roughness, they would be in position to kick a field goal and tie/win (depending on result of our PAT)

 

[Fjoinkay]

Is there a scenario where the game doesn't end on a defensive penalty? And USF ends up in a position off the KO return to attempt a game winning FG? Anyway, this is spitting hairs. Nassib threw the 2-pt conversion in a spot where the odds of USF hurting SU were minimized. SU had to KO anyway.

 

[Eric15]

Yes. It was the right call. You have to go for two there. The play call could have been better, though.

That doesn't make sense, Pete. A field goal is completely irrelevant with only 3 seconds left. Now, if there were maybe 10 seconds or more left, you'd be correct.

 

[Chris02M]

going for 2 was better than kicking pat but nassib should of taken a knee or threw the ball to the 10th row

 

[Chris02M]

That doesn't make sense, Pete. A field goal is completely irrelevant with only 3 seconds left. Now, if there were maybe 10 seconds or more left, you'd be correct.

or if pass interference was the nfl rule you go for 2 since its spot foul

 

[masonorange]

That doesn't make sense, Pete. A field goal is completely irrelevant with only 3 seconds left. Now, if there were maybe 10 seconds or more left, you'd be correct.

A field goal is not irrelevant. If they returned the ball to our side of the field and we committed a penalty at the end of the kickoff, they would have the opportunity to kick a field goal to tie or win. A game cannot end on a defensive penalty.

 

[Jake]

I'm not complaining, but I wouldn't have gone for two. I could see Ryan getting sacked there and a fumble return.

 

[dasher]

Clock doesn't run on extra points. Not even 2-pt conversions. If you go back and watch the tape, the clock never moves. The clock automatically stops when the TD is scored. If anything, you can argue that we should have broken the plane with :00 on the clock, but that would be a silly argument in that situation. We needed the points.

Plus, the USF player did intercept the ball but threw it out of bounds before he came down. Not sure if the clock would start on an INT or not.

Pete, it waqs dumb to go for 2. I was going to post about it last night but didn't think it was the time. Going for two brought about the only way we were going to lose the game. Much mnore lkikely a pick taken the other way than a kick off return.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Every play had risk. If Nassib takes a knee and USF ends up winning on a FG because of a defensive penalty on the KO return, then the sky is falling and this board is melt down central. People were calling for Marrone's head at the half. Same thing if Nassib is sacked and fumbles on the 2-pt and a USF player returns the ball for a TD, or a PAT is blocked and returned for a TD...etc.

 

[Hoov50]

Plus, the USF player did intercept the ball but threw it out of bounds before he came down. Not sure if the clock would start on an INT or not.

Did he intercept it or just bash it out of the end zone? Either way he should have been trying to return it for the two points. A 107 yard interception return is unlikely on an PAT, but that was there only chance. I agree that we did what we needed to do, go for the two, but man that would have been a helluva a way to lose on a 107 yard interception PAT return!

 

[Marsh01]

I almost shat myself when we actually threw a pass. Had that guy had half a brain he would have tried to run that out. No reason whatsoever to go for 2 there. I cant even imagine my mental status if we threw a pick -2 and lost by one there.
The only play that we could have called was just a sneak.

Take a damn knee and the game is all but over.