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Message: [QUOTE="Nicknack, post: 3962520, member: 1003"] Of course not, as a die-hard fan, I could never get myself to actually hope or root for us to lose. That could just never happen. That said, I do think about what might happen if we win 4 or 5. Would that be enough wins to keep Babers? That would be the worst... squeaking out just enough wins for him to stay forcing us to watch more of this brand of football. I think most of us are ready for a change, we've seen enough and have been more than patient. I'm still hoping that we could do the unthinkable by winning 6 and going to a bowl game. However, there just might be a silver lining if we lose enough games this year to cement Baber's firing. I remember playing golf a few years ago with a Clemson fan. He was really impressed with Babers. In fact, he even told me that he would rather have Babers over Swinney. Look at where we are now. Ugh. Like Dick_in_MI said, it's always been smoke and mirrors. [/QUOTE]