SIAP...Is Jim Boeheim the most overrated coach in sports?

[HOFCeluck]

Good Lord... Rick Barnes? Where do I begin?

http://www.lastbracketstanding.com/2015/11/02/is-jim-boeheim-the-most-overrated-coach-in-sports/

 

[HoustonCuse]

LOL, thinks Boeheim should have 3 or 4 more titles - meaning 5. In order to be considered great. How many coaches have 5 NC's? Wooden and... anybody else? He thinks JB should get an NC in 13% of his seasons. Wow.

 

[pfister1]

LOL, thinks Boeheim should have 3 or 4 more titles - meaning 5. In order to be considered great. How many coaches have 5 NC's? Wooden and... anybody else? He thinks JB should get an NC in 13% of his seasons. Wow.

Well in all honesty most of us here think he should win the NC almost every season...so this guy may actually be setting his standards low.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Coaches with more final goes than JB

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Roy Williams
Tom Izzo
Rick Pitino
John Calipari*

Coaches with more titles
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Roy Williams
Rick Pitino

Coaches with at least one title
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Kevin Ollie
Rick Pitino
John Calipari
Roy Williams
Bill Self
Tom Izzo
Tubby Smith
Steve Fisher

 

[br801]

I wouldn't sweat it. It's some asshat's blog. I see more outlandish stuff on this board every day written by allegedly knowledgeable followers of the program.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Despite what the NCAA has recently decreed, how many wins does JB have? That seems to have been left out. I think he has Barnes beat by about 350 or so.

 

[billsin01]

If you've been a fan of syracuse football for the past 20 or so years, I think it's hard to make an argument that it would be possible to overrate JB in any way. I mean, you could basically deify him and I wouldn't really blink.

 

[UnderHisOwnPower]

I wouldn't sweat it. It's some asshat's blog. I see more outlandish stuff on this board every day written by alledgedly knowledgeable followers of the program.

I've always wondered... is an asshat a hat to be worn on the ass, or is it an ass to be worn as a hat?

 

[nolacuse44]

Good Lord... Rick Barnes? Where do I begin?

http://www.lastbracketstanding.com/2015/11/02/is-jim-boeheim-the-most-overrated-coach-in-sports/

Shouldn't the facts relied upon be accurate and complete?

JB's teams have 31 NCAA tournament appearances, not 26. And, SU has won 5 conference tournaments, not 3. And, the correct number of regular season titles is 10, not 8.

And, for the first 3 years of his tenure, SU was an independent, so you can hardly count those years in calculating the rate of regular season and tourney titles. And, shouldn't overall number of wins and winning percentage be considered?

 

[orangefog]

I've always wondered... is an asshat a hat to be worn on the ass, or is it an ass to be worn as a hat?

I would also like to know the answer to this question.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Despite what the NCAA has recently decreed, how many wins does JB have? That seems to have been left out. I think he has Barnes beat by about 350 or so.

Are you trying to use absolute number of coaching wins to compare JB and Barnes?

There's like a million better ways to say that JB I'd the superior coach.

 

[Lawrinson14]

Jim Boeheim can be looked at 2 ways:

1. Wow! For being situated in a grey winter wonderland, he's had so much success for so long!

2. For being at a school for nearly 40 years, he only has 1 championship and 4 final fours? That's it?! Pshhh, he's not an elite coach.

Outsiders tend to think option 2 is correct.

 

[Cuse House]

Jim Boeheim can be looked at 2 ways:

1. Wow! For being situated in a grey winter wonderland, he's had so much success for so long!

2. For being at a school for nearly 40 years, he only has 1 championship and 4 final fours? That's it?! Pshhh, he's not an elite coach.

Outsiders tend to think option 2 is correct.

You are exactly right! JB has done something in Central New York that 99% of coaches could not. He built a winning program from the ground up and most importantly, sustained it!

 

[br801]

Shouldn't the facts relied upon be accurate and complete?

JB's teams have 31 NCAA tournament appearances, not 26. And, SU has won 5 conference tournaments, not 3. And, the correct number of regular season titles is 10, not 8.

And, for the first 3 years of his tenure, SU was an independent, so you can hardly count those years in calculating the rate of regular season and tourney titles. And, shouldn't overall number of win and winning percentage be considered?

Facts? That's just silly.

 

[br801]

I've always wondered... is an asshat a hat to be worn on the ass, or is it an ass to be worn as a hat?

I've always imagined it as a hat worn on the ass. Not sure how it stays on though.

 

[HoustonCuse]

I've always imagined it as a hat worn on the ass. Not sure how it stays on though.

I think it is the other way around.

 

[jgeorge322]

i love it. hope coach b sees it. he does his best work when hes called out.

 

[br801]

I think it is the other way around.

You know I think you're right.

 

[br801]

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Now I'm confused again.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Jim Boeheim can be looked at 2 ways:

1. Wow! For being situated in a grey winter wonderland, he's had so much success for so long!

2. For being at a school for nearly 40 years, he only has 1 championship and 4 final fours? That's it?! Pshhh, he's not an elite coach.

Outsiders tend to think option 2 is correct.

He is a victim of his own success. He takes okay college players and they become huge names in college. When those players can't beat better players, he gets a bad rap.

 

[HOFCeluck]

You are exactly right! JB has done something in Central New York that 99% of coaches could not. He built a winning program from the ground up and most importantly, sustained it!

That's fairly obvious to anyone who wants to think about it for more than 1 minute. How was Syracuse basketball before Jim Boeheim?

 

[orangefog]

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But where do you put your umbrella?

 

[Cuse House]

That's fairly obvious to anyone who wants to think about it for more than 1 minute. How was Syracuse basketball before Jim Boeheim?

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That's fairly obvious to anyone who wants to think about it for more than 1 minute. How was Syracuse basketball before Jim Boeheim?

Didn't know there was a Syracuse basketball before Jim Boeheim

 

[Zelda Zonk]

If your panties are constantly in a bunch over criticism, buy bigger panties.

JB is overrated. He's not THE most overrated coach.
I agree with a lot of this. JB has a national championship because he identified and signed Carmelo early. We had the best player in college basketball that year.

BS, that he "takes okay college players and they become huge names." We were the best-recruiting team in the Big East over the entire span. JB didn't make them huge names. We had a media presence owing to proximity to the media capital of the world, and ESPN, and a built-for-tv, unique facility. That kind of exposure blew up some names.

JB is a good/excellent coach. But, the article says he's not an "All-Time Great." Disregarding comparisons and relativity to the football program, this is true, unless your list of All-Time has a low threshold and a lot of names. "Don Sutton," George Karl, Don Nelson, Lenny Wilkins. Lots of numbers. Not much real "greatness." Isn't "elite" different from "all-time great?" And, can't you still be overrated even if you're "elite?" You're not likely to be overrated or even 'rated' if you're not pretty high up in esteem.

Main fault of the article is the sensationalistic/hyperbolistic headline. "...in (all) sports?" That's just stupid.

Rick Barnes is the problem with the argument? How many wins, conference titles, NCs does Rick Barnes have if he's the coach with a carrier dome for 39 years? Honestly.

Why do we continually have the arguments about "grey central new york winters?" Ann Arbor, Storrs, where ever Marquette is (70s), Kansas... they aren't Hawaii either. DC has winters. Recruiting visits are never during the problem time anyway. We all went to SU, despite knowing what the weather would be like.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Rick Barnes is the problem with the argument? How many wins, conference titles, NCs does Rick Barnes have if he's the coach with a carrier dome for 39 years? Honestly.

I don't know, but I know what he did in 17 seasons at Texas which you can argue is a better job than Syracuse.

It's also intellectually inconsistent to downplay our title because we "signed Carmelo early" and then try to talk up the guy who couldn't get to the second weekend of the tourney with Kevin Durant.