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Message: [QUOTE="nzm136, post: 3071560, member: 2531"] I don’t think that this is material, but Miami won in ‘83 and ‘87. We can argue about semantics, but 4 years is a pretty good clip in my book. I want to say they lost to PSU in ‘85, too. Either way, I’m not sure that you could point to anything at Clemson that differentiates them from USC —> UF —> tOSU during their runs. Miami, however, has 2(!) 30 for 30’s about them. I know that the 30 for 30 metric is somewhat subjective. But I do think it’s indicitive. Miami was *the* team, and moreso than any other team before or after their golden era, they were polarizing. Clemson isn’t even *the* team now, and they’re at their zenith. As for PSU, I’ll agree that it’s a bigger game than BC. They’re a bigger team, they’re closer, and we’ve played them 20 times more (despite only playing PSU occasionally since they joined the collective). However, calling PSU anything other than a historic rival is erroneous. Like with the BC game, there are reasons to care beyond how good they are or aren’t. But BC isn’t Rutgers, and they aren’t Clemson. I’m not sure I see the relevance. Lastly, trying to build Rutgers-Syracuse into a rivalry based on tenuous relationships of a coach who last coached at Rutgers is trying far, far too hard. The same goes with your “defend NJ” argument. The same argument could be made for Princeton, Temple, and a bunch of other irrelevant schools in the area. RU doesn’t have the relevance to matter, and the Big Ten hasn’t changed that. I’m not sure how you define “breathe life into a program,” but they lost to a bad 3-9 KU team last year, and their attendance has consisted of whatever the other team brings. The same isn’t true for Miami during the day, and it isn’t true of PSU. ***Also, saying we try to recruit the same athletes as Clemson is only true in the sense that we also try to recruit the same athletes as Texas, LSU, Alabama, tOSU, USC, Georgia, Florida, FSU, and Notre Dame. There’s no real competition between the schools for students, and aside from every school in the country wanting the same 5* kids, athletes. [/QUOTE]

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