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Message: [QUOTE="nzm136, post: 3073593, member: 2531"] That’s a stupid reason to obsess, it’s wrong to think that SU-Miami and SU-PSU were purely driven by Miami/PSU being good, and the resulting obsession from that mentality is bizarre. If your theory is that there is no difference between PSU/Miami of the pre-90’s and 90’s, and Clemson, then you’re missing a material amount of context. Hating Miami made sense. Hating PSU made sense. Obsessing over Clemson is like obsessing over a high school crush. It’s kind of pathetic, which is why it’s bizarre. What if FSU got good again, and Clemson fell off? Should we then tape new pictures in our locker? Seriously though, if being good and playing consistently are your two criteria, then what differentiates you from Rutgers fans obsess over Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, and Ohio State? Or UK fans obsessing over Florida and Georgia? Or KU fans obsessing over Texas and Oklahoma? I think that we can all agree that RU’s relationship with Ohio State is in name at best. RU cashed Ohio State’s checks, RU fans proudly advertise the idea that the two schools are the same, Ohio State tries to forget that the Scarlet Knights exist, and the rest of the world thinks guys like RutgersAl are ...off. [/QUOTE] The PSU obsession is over, except for people 50+. I doubt anyone who became a fan of SU after 1990 thinks much about PSU. We don't compete with them in sports very often anymore and for only a handful of football recruits every year - about the same number as with Clemson. But, the average fan (not those of us on here) doesn't really follow recruiting closely enough to care. The Miami vitriol has faded since they left the BE. The current obsession right now is Clemson, whether you like it or not, and regardless of how appropriate you think it is. They are the best team in the ACC for the last 4/5 years and are set up to continue to be the top team, which makes them our #1 target every year. It's not weird, it makes sense. [/QUOTE] 1. Your points about Miami and PSU are irrelevant to the premise that this board's obsession with Clemson and Rutgers is weird, unless you contend that PSU of pre-1990 and Miami of pre-2003 equals Clemson today. If that's your contention, then I think you're missing a significant amount of the context to those games. 2. I don't think that the average Syracuse fans is obsessed with Clemson. I think this site is, but not the average Joe. I'd argue that Clemson is just a name to the average SU fan. It's no different than Ohio State, Alabama, Georgia, or any other team that has won or has been in serious contention to win a title in the recent past. But again, whether or not the average fan sees Clemson as a rival is not what's being argued. 3. The sole point being argued is whether this site has a weird obsession (I don't know another word to describe it) with Clemson. Chasing flavor of the week teams gives off a middle school dating vibe (due to the potential for constant flux) mixed with a raging inferiority complex (due to the envy, which I assume is the motivating factor). You randomly concluding that obsessing over school with a 7 game shared history that's 4-5 states away makes sense doesn't make it so. Take the emotion out of the equation, and look at a set of different schools. Rutgers beating the B1G drum to highlight a strained relationship with athletics programs that have almost nothing to do with them is weird, and it's only vaguely different than you trying to invent a context with Clemson. 4. The following is immaterial to the actual debate, but I'm a stickler for accuracy, and the fact that Miami and PSU still get brought up in threads speaks volumes. It's also worth noting that it's not just in this context. Compare the way that we see the world to a random school. I doubt Texas Tech boards had as many PSU threads as we have over the last decade that covered the scandal(s). I also doubt that the average TTech poster would immediately know who 'the cult' was without any other context. [/QUOTE]

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