So let's just say the staff did promise Allen that he'd start

[phil77]

[What'se="phil77, post: 745846, member: 1169"]That would be no different then the last three weeks Allen has started. Seems half the team decided not to play for Allen. I find it funny that as soon as Hunt came in all the sudden West was wide open and running past people. But when Allen was starting he can't get 6 inches of separation from any defender.

Yeah you're probably right and we had guys throwing the penn state and nw games on purpose to prove a point. Wait no, on second thought that doesn't make sense at all.

I'm sure exactly 0 guys on the team wanted to start 0-2 this year and play their home opener in front of 30,000 empty seats. I would even venture to guess the amount of seperation West and co got was directly related to Hunt looking off defenders instead of locking in and the fact that they had to worry about a qb that would take off and run.[/quote]


Sure in a perfect world you would hope that would be the case.

 

[supp]

Sure in a perfect world you would hope that would be the case.

All I can say to this post is ugh! If the players wanted Hunt instead of Allen, why not sabotage Allen in practice? Why make yourself look bad on national tv and when it counts? From the albeit limited practices that those outside the program saw, there was no orchestrated effort by the team to make Allen look bad then. If there were, I'm sure we would have heard about the endless dropped passes when Drew was behind center but we didn't. Or, hey, make it simpler for yourself: why not pull a Tonya Harding on him in the locker room?

I'll never understand why people insist on conspiracies when there are perfectly reasonable explanations for how things turned out.

 

[Stern]

Drew Allen is a major college football player.

Could have fool me and a lot of other people!! But if you want to defend his play and his results after 3 games...go for it!! lol

 

[SUalldway]

That would be no different then the last three weeks Allen has started. Seems half the team decided not to play for Allen. I find it funny that as soon as Hunt came in all the sudden West was wide open and running past people. But when Allen was starting he can't get 6 inches of separation from any defender.

Apparently you weren't watching the same games, or you like conspiracy theories. Allen repeatedly locks into one option, the defense reads this, and then he forces the throw into coverage, or it's batted down. Hunt shows the the ability to look to a secondary option and adapt. That's why Hunt is now the starting QB. Any other statements by the coaching staff prior to Tulane is just coach speak, e.g. "I need to watch the film."

 

[Millhouse]

And never played him. Nuff said!'

Allen couldn't move the ball vs Wagner. It was friggin Wagner!! It is far fetched notion you are implying to think he was some "great practice player" who just sucked in games. Sorry, not buying it. The ONLY logical reason Allen started Weeks 1,2, and 3 was because during his transfer visits he was probably promised a starting job if he came. He wasn't going to transfer to a school and "sit"...he just sat on the bench at Oklahoma!! The kid was going to a new school to play. I am sure he was guaranteed some playing time up front or else he wasn't coming here!

And Shafer after losing Zach Allen probably was in panic mode and agreed. That's more logical. Either way the kid can wear a baseball cap and hold a clipboard the next 3 months. It's Hunt's job now!

The question is why panic if you have hunt? I agree with everything you said but I wonder why he felt so desperate

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[SmilinBob]

I think there are multiple things here and one being Hunt knows the receivers better than Allen. He had a nice chemistry with West and you could see that in the game. Hunt gives the offense another dimension while not hurting the other parts of the offense with poor passing and as we saw he was actually sharper than Allen. So to the point of the thread, Hunt makes defenses have to work harder and guard more area thus he has more opportunities to be successful.

 

[rocklloyd]

Anyone watch Allen sulk on the sideline when he was not in game? Kind of stood off by himself, not celebrate the touchdown with rest of team. Would maybe tap the person who scored touchdown if the guy walked by him. But for the most part moped on the sideline even when the rest of the team scored. I get he was disappointed about his performance, but if you are bought into the team, then be happy for the team.

 

[Stern]

The question is why panic if you have hunt? I agree with everything you said but I wonder why he felt so desperate

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Well could be many different reasons for his panic move. For one all we had at the time was Hunt and not a realistic option at QB behind Hunt. If Hunt went down we would have been royally screwed. His logic might have been at least with Allen in the mix we are a legit 2 deep at QB heading into the season. Or Shafer didn't know what he had in Hunt which caused the panic to promise something to Allen.

He is a first time head coach he probably wanted everything to be perfect in year 1. He probably feel in love with the thought of getting a QB who was on the bench at a major school like Oklahoma. I can see how Shafer might have overreacted and made some promises.

 

[RF2044]

Put me on the list of people that thinks if our staff is promising starting jobs to QBs then we may have made a mistake in the hire. It just doesn't work in this sport. It's not like JB starting the game with Rakeem Christmas' replacement sitting at the scorer's table.

But for the record, I don't think he was promised anything other than instantly being able to compete for the starting role. Staff probably said only one other guy is in our potential plans for this season, he's young and hasn't played, so you have every opportunity. Once they saw he could pick up the offense in practice, that's who they wanted. Probably figured being around the OU big game atmosphere for 4 years was worth the test. Not to mention he's got the size and arm.

What they probably didn't realize, until today, is that the other guy might be more productive at gametime. It happens sometimes, and you can't simulate that in practice. Need a bigger sample size, but right now which way would you bet?


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Spot on--completely agree.

 

[SWC75]

[What'se="phil77, post: 745846, member: 1169"]That would be no different then the last three weeks Allen has started. Seems half the team decided not to play for Allen. I find it funny that as soon as Hunt came in all the sudden West was wide open and running past people. But when Allen was starting he can't get 6 inches of separation from any defender.

Yeah you're probably right and we had guys throwing the penn state and nw games on purpose to prove a point. Wait no, on second thought that doesn't make sense at all.

I'm sure exactly 0 guys on the team wanted to start 0-2 this year and play their home opener in front of 30,000 empty seats. I would even venture to guess the amount of seperation West and co got was directly related to Hunt looking off defenders instead of locking in and the fact that they had to worry about a qb that would take off and run.[/quote]


And the fact that we went to the running game when Hunt came in and that set up the pass. With Allen, we came out firing and expected Hunt to pick the defense apart and he couldn't do it.

 

[baggerbob]

Hunt made much quicker drops, and was into his progressions quicker, his ability to hide the ball when making the handoff, or fake the handoff kept people from an all out rush. His poise on a rollout where it looked like he would lose yards, shoveled the ball to Ashton for positive yards, even though the analyst said he missed Kobena in the end zone. As time goes on he will grow into making that play. Compare that to Allen when we had the ball in the red zone with a third down, and he doesn't see the blitz, takes a 7 yard loss we miss a 35 yard field goal. Jim Brown was not a great practice player, but when the lights came on he was pretty good.

 

[Crusty]

Hunt made much quicker drops, and was into his progressions quicker, his ability to hide the ball when making the handoff, or fake the handoff kept people from an all out rush. His poise on a rollout where it looked like he would lose yards, shoveled the ball to Ashton for positive yards, even though the analyst said he missed Kobena in the end zone. As time goes on he will grow into making that play. Compare that to Allen when we had the ball in the red zone with a third down, and he doesn't see the blitz, takes a 7 yard loss we miss a 35 yard field goal. Jim Brown was not a great practice player, but when the lights came on he was pretty good.

On the replay it looked like Kobena got open late - not a big mistake.

 

[Marroniac]

On the replay it looked like Kobena got open late - not a big mistake.

I thought Allen's TD pass was a mistake. He threw it into a tight window but the flat was wide open.

 

[Entropic]

Its possible hat someone can perform in practice and not in games. Nerves can do a lot to someone. Heck Peyton Manning has been my favorite player in the NFL since '99. He's the greatest regular season QB ever but he is atrocious in the playoffs. He makes bad reads, misses open receivers, and does some things that make you shake your head during the playoffs. Who knows what is going through someones brain at any given moment when the heat is on. Some people are gamers and others just don't have the intangibles when it matters to match their physical attributes.

 

[baggerbob]

On the replay it looked like Kobena got open late - not a big mistake.

No I agree, just the analyst pointed it out, but Hunt still created positive yardage out of a possible negative, and that shows poise which is what I was trying to say.