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So what is the problem here?

I feel like going into the year we thought we had some players that could drive the lane (TB, FH, JG to a lesser degree), shoot perimeter shots (AW3) and skilled bigs (TL, TT). It appears we don't have guards that can drive. If FH and TB can start driving lane and kicking out or dishing to bigs we could be good. If they can't do it at all then we have no chance to be successful.
 
I never said it was the only issue? it was the primary one that stood out to me and the one I decided to comment on. (Going back to re-read my comment, I guess you could interpret it as I meant it was the only one. I didnt. I think it's the biggest one though)
Rereading your post, I think I misinterpreted. My bad.
 
"So my question is - what gives? Why are we able to completely manhandle these teams, and then lay complete eggs against decent to good teams? Is it a mental thing? Are we unprepared for the increased level of competition? Is it a scheme thing? It's baffling to me."

the good teams have quality big men. guards are relatively easy to find. the gene pool thins out when you're sampling around 6'8" plus .
Partially true but not as simple as you make it out to be... EMU features James Thompson at 6'10, averaging 15 ppg and 12 rpg who's been abusing most teams they've played - we made him completely ineffective to the point where he got so frustrated he tried picking a fight with DC and Murphy had no choice but to bench him the rest of the game (105-57)... Monmouth features (senior) Chris Brady at 6'10, averaging 12 ppg and 7 rpg - again a skilled and strong big who has dominated teams (I watched their game against SC and the SC bigs could not handle him - went for 17/10), we rendered him essentially useless wherein he posted 4 pts/3 reb in 24 min (71-50).
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Four, we don't/won't/can't replicate quality man to man defense in practice, so it's hard to adapt when we see it in game situations.

That's a big issue not being talked about, IMO. It's like we are putting the training wheels on these guys in games of how to play against good M2M D. Hello?! This is big time college bball. At least 1/2 of any P5 conference can play credible M2M and we can't do anything or execute against anyone decent? What the hell is going on?
 
That's a big issue not being talked about, IMO. It's like we are putting the training wheels on these guys in games of how to play against good M2M D. Hello?! This is big time college bball. At least 1/2 of any P5 conference can play credible M2M and we can't do anything or execute against anyone decent? What the hell is going on?

There could be something to this, but is it any different than any year in the past?
 
There could be something to this, but is it any different than any year in the past?

Yeah I don't get why it would rear it's head now, when we have been playing zone almost exclusively for 15 years now. After reading everything in this thread, I'm thinking PG play is the logical explanation. Howard and Gillon have been mediocre to downright horrible in our losses, which has an effect on the rest of the offense. The next question is: is it fixable, or are we doomed to have mediocre to poor PG play against good competition the rest of the season?
 
It would certainly explain why we historically struggle against talented, disciplined defensive teams with good schemes like Pitt, UVA, etc.
 
It's like we draw up plays like "ok, who's is the least effective player to put in a pick n roll?.. Run it!!!"

Like Lydon and the inbounds at the end of the UConn game.

"Hey, who is the tallest guy we got that's most likely to be able to catch and shoot a hail mary in 2.2 seconds? Let's have him throw the ball to no one 94 feet from the basket. "
 
That's a big issue not being talked about, IMO. It's like we are putting the training wheels on these guys in games of how to play against good M2M D. Hello?! This is big time college bball. At least 1/2 of any P5 conference can play credible M2M and we can't do anything or execute against anyone decent? What the hell is going on?

Yet we have executed for years and had plenty of success. Hmm
 
We should run pick and roll ad nauseum with the shooters we have.

That doesn't mean run it with Roberson which we love to do. It means run the pick and pop with Lydon and Thompson. If the help defender comes off the wing, kick it to the wing shooter. If not, drive to the hoop where Frank needs to get stronger with the ball and Gillon needs to get smarter with his limitations. If both follow you, drop it off to Lydon or Thompson who can both hit the jumper, pass it to an open man or drive the lane.

I love screen-and-roll offense. However, Syracuse hasn't executed it well since it became a large part of the half-court offense. Part of the blame lies in the poor design of it, and part of it resides in the dreadful performance of fundamental skills.

To be consistently successful with this offense, a team needs to run screens from a variety of angles: high, side, flat, angle, double-fist, etc. The vast majority of ours are either high or double-fist, and the latter is often repeated against an opponent and then completely forgotten against the next. We're easy to defend because teams only have to prepare for these two scenarios, and they really only defend one regularly.

We also rarely run screen/re-screen action. Good screen-and-roll teams force defenders to fight through multiple screens. This can be done by a screener setting a pick and then reversing to screen for the ball again. It can also incorporate screen-the-screener action, where the screener sets a ball screen and then receives a screen right after. This set-up creates a dilemma for the ball-screener's defender. If he helps on the ball screen, he will be quite late fighting through the screen set on him. Lydon made a three-pointer against Georgetown off of screen-the-screener action. It was the first and only time we have used it this year.

Ball screens that are part of an offense's natural motion are more difficult to defend. Defensive players are more prone to be out of effective help position if they are chasing cutters. Villanova's offense does this well, as does the Spurs' offense. In these two systems, the ball screens are "automatic" plays built into situations that arise as a result of the offensive movements (triggered by ball position). Syracuse's offense never does this. Our players run a ball screen and, if nothing materializes on the first read, pass to another player. Another random screen is then set on the ball, often by a player on the opposite side of the floor. As a result, our sets regularly display poor spacing after the first ball screen. The defense also gets a chance to recover as our bigs work out who should set the next screen. Furthermore, none of our players know for sure what to do during the second and third attempts. Consequently, our offense is fragmented and easily defended.

In addition to the design flaws, our players inconsistently execute fundamental skills. Our screeners rarely set solid screens. The angles are usually too east/west. Good screens create good angles, forcing defenders to make tough choices about how to defend. Additionally, solid ball-screeners firmly plant their feet and let the ball-handler create space with at least two clearing dribbles before they move. Our screeners turn to run before the ball-handler has passed them. Good screeners read opposite the ball. We have screeners that roll to the hoop, regardless of whether or not that is the correct read.

In the same vein, our ball-handlers seem to be in a rush to use the screens. Every game there seems to be an offensive foul or two against our bigs because the ball-handlers don't wait for them to properly set. Our guards rarely drive off the screener's hip. Because of this, defenders can simply slide over the screen, making it pointless. Often the two clearing dribbles are neglected, or they are completed laterally rather than vertically, which doesn't really create meaningful space. Our wing shooters are rendered impotent because the lack of motion or screen-the-screener action makes it simple for defenders to help-and-recover. The fact that our dribble-drivers never use a jump-stop to shoot or pass compounds this issue.

Our players' passing often leaves a lot to be desired, too. How often has one of our guards tried to pass to the feet of big men? How often has a player thrown a chest pass when it should have been a bounce pass? How often has a post pass been ignored, or has the pass not been successful because the passing player didn't use a ball fake to set the pass up or dribble to create a better passing angle?

In short, this collection of players should theoretically utilize screen-and-roll offense effectively. What we have seen over the last five years, though, makes me skeptical that we could execute it well without major changes in philosophy and teaching practices.
 
I feel like going into the year we thought we had some players that could drive the lane (TB, FH, JG to a lesser degree), shoot perimeter shots (AW3) and skilled bigs (TL, TT). It appears we don't have guards that can drive. If FH and TB can start driving lane and kicking out or dishing to bigs we could be good. If they can't do it at all then we have no chance to be successful.

To add to this, is it me or does it seem like we haven't really played well on the fast break/open floor either. It seems we get on a fast break and then we kick it out to AW3, ends up hesitating and resetting. It doesn't seem like we've gone to the basket on fast breaks like we have in the past.
 
I feel like going into the year we thought we had some players that could drive the lane (TB, FH, JG to a lesser degree), shoot perimeter shots (AW3) and skilled bigs (TL, TT). It appears we don't have guards that can drive. If FH and TB can start driving lane and kicking out or dishing to bigs we could be good. If they can't do it at all then we have no chance to be successful.

We have at least two guards who can drive - Howard and Gillon. Unfortunately Howard can't finish or consistently make free throws on those rare occasions he gets fouled. Gillon can't shoot over guys a foot taller than him so he either dribbles right through, gets blocked, or tosses up some junk shot us old guys typically try when playing against younger men.

I really do think one of the biggest problems with the driving situation is our bigs don't pull their defenders out of the lane because their shooting isn't respected (excluding Lydon of course), so there just isn't enough room inside for the guards to be as effective.

You are spot on with the guards needing to kick to open shooters.
 
I love screen-and-roll offense. However, Syracuse hasn't executed it well since it became a large part of the half-court offense. Part of the blame lies in the poor design of it, and part of it resides in the dreadful performance of fundamental skills.

To be consistently successful with this offense, a team needs to run screens from a variety of angles: high, side, flat, angle, double-fist, etc. The vast majority of ours are either high or double-fist, and the latter is often repeated against an opponent and then completely forgotten against the next. We're easy to defend because teams only have to prepare for these two scenarios, and they really only defend one regularly.

We also rarely run screen/re-screen action. Good screen-and-roll teams force defenders to fight through multiple screens. This can be done by a screener setting a pick and then reversing to screen for the ball again. It can also incorporate screen-the-screener action, where the screener sets a ball screen and then receives a screen right after. This set-up creates a dilemma for the ball-screener's defender. If he helps on the ball screen, he will be quite late fighting through the screen set on him. Lydon made a three-pointer against Georgetown off of screen-the-screener action. It was the first and only time we have used it this year.

Ball screens that are part of an offense's natural motion are more difficult to defend. Defensive players are more prone to be out of effective help position if they are chasing cutters. Villanova's offense does this well, as does the Spurs' offense. In these two systems, the ball screens are "automatic" plays built into situations that arise as a result of the offensive movements (triggered by ball position). Syracuse's offense never does this. Our players run a ball screen and, if nothing materializes on the first read, pass to another player. Another random screen is then set on the ball, often by a player on the opposite side of the floor. As a result, our sets regularly display poor spacing after the first ball screen. The defense also gets a chance to recover as our bigs work out who should set the next screen. Furthermore, none of our players know for sure what to do during the second and third attempts. Consequently, our offense is fragmented and easily defended.

In addition to the design flaws, our players inconsistently execute fundamental skills. Our screeners rarely set solid screens. The angles are usually too east/west. Good screens create good angles, forcing defenders to make tough choices about how to defend. Additionally, solid ball-screeners firmly plant their feet and let the ball-handler create space with at least two clearing dribbles before they move. Our screeners turn to run before the ball-handler has passed them. Good screeners read opposite the ball. We have screeners that roll to the hoop, regardless of whether or not that is the correct read.

In the same vein, our ball-handlers seem to be in a rush to use the screens. Every game there seems to be an offensive foul or two against our bigs because the ball-handlers don't wait for them to properly set. Our guards rarely drive off the screener's hip. Because of this, defenders can simply slide over the screen, making it pointless. Often the two clearing dribbles are neglected, or they are completed laterally rather than vertically, which doesn't really create meaningful space. Our wing shooters are rendered impotent because the lack of motion or screen-the-screener action makes it simple for defenders to help-and-recover. The fact that our dribble-drivers never use a jump-stop to shoot or pass compounds this issue.

Our players' passing often leaves a lot to be desired, too. How often has one of our guards tried to pass to the feet of big men? How often has a player thrown a chest pass when it should have been a bounce pass? How often has a post pass been ignored, or has the pass not been successful because the passing player didn't use a ball fake to set the pass up or dribble to create a better passing angle?

In short, this collection of players should theoretically utilize screen-and-roll offense effectively. What we have seen over the last five years, though, makes me skeptical that we could execute it well without major changes in philosophy and teaching practices.

Awesome.
 
I love screen-and-roll offense. However, Syracuse hasn't executed it well since it became a large part of the half-court offense. Part of the blame lies in the poor design of it, and part of it resides in the dreadful performance of fundamental skills.

To be consistently successful with this offense, a team needs to run screens from a variety of angles: high, side, flat, angle, double-fist, etc. The vast majority of ours are either high or double-fist, and the latter is often repeated against an opponent and then completely forgotten against the next. We're easy to defend because teams only have to prepare for these two scenarios, and they really only defend one regularly.

We also rarely run screen/re-screen action. Good screen-and-roll teams force defenders to fight through multiple screens. This can be done by a screener setting a pick and then reversing to screen for the ball again. It can also incorporate screen-the-screener action, where the screener sets a ball screen and then receives a screen right after. This set-up creates a dilemma for the ball-screener's defender. If he helps on the ball screen, he will be quite late fighting through the screen set on him. Lydon made a three-pointer against Georgetown off of screen-the-screener action. It was the first and only time we have used it this year.

Ball screens that are part of an offense's natural motion are more difficult to defend. Defensive players are more prone to be out of effective help position if they are chasing cutters. Villanova's offense does this well, as does the Spurs' offense. In these two systems, the ball screens are "automatic" plays built into situations that arise as a result of the offensive movements (triggered by ball position). Syracuse's offense never does this. Our players run a ball screen and, if nothing materializes on the first read, pass to another player. Another random screen is then set on the ball, often by a player on the opposite side of the floor. As a result, our sets regularly display poor spacing after the first ball screen. The defense also gets a chance to recover as our bigs work out who should set the next screen. Furthermore, none of our players know for sure what to do during the second and third attempts. Consequently, our offense is fragmented and easily defended.

In addition to the design flaws, our players inconsistently execute fundamental skills. Our screeners rarely set solid screens. The angles are usually too east/west. Good screens create good angles, forcing defenders to make tough choices about how to defend. Additionally, solid ball-screeners firmly plant their feet and let the ball-handler create space with at least two clearing dribbles before they move. Our screeners turn to run before the ball-handler has passed them. Good screeners read opposite the ball. We have screeners that roll to the hoop, regardless of whether or not that is the correct read.

In the same vein, our ball-handlers seem to be in a rush to use the screens. Every game there seems to be an offensive foul or two against our bigs because the ball-handlers don't wait for them to properly set. Our guards rarely drive off the screener's hip. Because of this, defenders can simply slide over the screen, making it pointless. Often the two clearing dribbles are neglected, or they are completed laterally rather than vertically, which doesn't really create meaningful space. Our wing shooters are rendered impotent because the lack of motion or screen-the-screener action makes it simple for defenders to help-and-recover. The fact that our dribble-drivers never use a jump-stop to shoot or pass compounds this issue.

Our players' passing often leaves a lot to be desired, too. How often has one of our guards tried to pass to the feet of big men? How often has a player thrown a chest pass when it should have been a bounce pass? How often has a post pass been ignored, or has the pass not been successful because the passing player didn't use a ball fake to set the pass up or dribble to create a better passing angle?

In short, this collection of players should theoretically utilize screen-and-roll offense effectively. What we have seen over the last five years, though, makes me skeptical that we could execute it well without major changes in philosophy and teaching practices.

Coach, you're just the best in the business. I just shared this whole post with my 13-year old son. This will make for a great discussion.
 
Guard play and defense. Both are much better against lesser competition, but we've seen neither is likely good enough against better teams.
 
To add to this, is it me or does it seem like we haven't really played well on the fast break/open floor either. It seems we get on a fast break and then we kick it out to AW3, ends up hesitating and resetting. It doesn't seem like we've gone to the basket on fast breaks like we have in the past.
I think this has been a problem the last few years. We have horrible spacing when we have advantages in the open floor.
 
To add to this, is it me or does it seem like we haven't really played well on the fast break/open floor either. It seems we get on a fast break and then we kick it out to AW3, ends up hesitating and resetting. It doesn't seem like we've gone to the basket on fast breaks like we have in the past.

Our passing sucks in the open floor, too. Seems like whoever gets the ball after the steal / turnover puts their head down and tries to take it all the way themselves. Often when teammates might be in more advantageous position / spacing to score. Wish we'd give it up on the break more frequently.
 
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The biggest difference to me is that the PG position has been night and day in the games against the cupcakes and the big boys. Gillon looked like a completely different player against SC, GTown, UConn, and Wisc than he did against the scrub teams. Howard averages nearly 10 assists a game against the scrubs, but less than 3 against the good teams.

So far our PGs are simply not prepared to play against bigger, more physical defenders. I'm worried about Gillon's lack of size (with no jumpshot) against ACC teams, and Frank's lack of development against them as well.

Can GMac coach? Whether he can recruit is a open question but can he at least coach?
 

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