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[QUOTE="qdawgg, post: 2487070, member: 52"]
Just my opinion but we can't bump our class up to the 40's or 30's because we have transfers coming in that had been 4 star recruits coming out of H.S.  They very well might be but most of the time they haven't realized that 4 star talent in college, or didn't turn into the playmakers they were expected to be.  They still might but I don't believe we can just classify them the same as 4 star players coming out of H.S.   In the same way, if we had a player transfer in who was a 2 star out of H.S. but decided to transfer after coaching change or whatever and they had been one of the best players on their previous college team.  We wouldn't still consider them a 2 start player.  Just my opinion.  Not saying they aren't potentially very good players but don't think it deserves us overvaluing the class either.

2014 class - I went back and looked at their offers and that class actually wasn't that terrible on paper.  If you look at the 2015 class though, just looking at offers from other schools, that class was atrocious.  Almost the entire bottom half of that class had no offers, or offers from schools we would be embarrassed about.  
    Looking at that class I started to remember how some of the Shafer diehards defended his recruiting.  He was getting players that fit his system, we got on them early so the other schools knew they were solid SU commits (LOL), diamonds in the rough - a couple years in our S&C program..., H.S. team had a bad record so nobody noticed this great player.  I think some people had convinced themselves that that bottom of the ACC class was actually mid-pack.
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