Solution to eliminate end-of-game intentional fouling

[FrancoPizza]

We see this all the time. One team is trailing by a few possessions under 1 minute and they start intentionally fouling the opponent in hopes they will miss free throws. What was a 1 minute game turns into 30 minutes.

Why not adopt how soccer handles certain penalties? They restart the game from the spot of the foul (similar to how jump balls are/were handled in the NBA). The ball would still be inbounded after a basket or if the ball goes out of bounds during play. But all other non-shooting fouls you restart from the spot of the foul with a fresh shot clock. Then after 7 fouls you get the additional choice of 1-and-1. Then at 10 fouls the choice is 2 shots. This would eliminate any incentive for the defense to foul as a means of extending the game. You want the ball back? Play good defense, force a turnover, or get the rebound. If you think about it - why should you be at a disadvantage of inbounding the ball when the other team commits the infraction? It's stupid.

 

[tbonezone]

well the NCAA established the 'intentional foul " rule years ago . if a foul was deemed with sole intention to stop play the team was awarded 2 shots and the ball. unfortunately they never enforced it. the exception being the unimpeded to the basket variety. we have the rule they just need to call it correctly and consistently.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This problem has already been solved. The Elam Ending is the answer. The basketball world just needs to stop resisting the obvious and best solution.

 

[jncuse]

Have to give this a massive thumbs down. (I'll present a specific situation in my next post -- you score to go down 3 with 25 seconds to go).

A few general questions though:
1) Are you planning to do this new rule for 40 minutes a game or only the last minute.
a) If its for 40 minutes - you are proposing to change the way the game has been played for 100+ or nearly a hundred years, to fix this one problem in the last minute of a game.
b) Or is it only going to be for the last minute? If so you are going to have fundamentally different changes to way the game is played for the last minute? (now i realize the game is already different, but the foul itself is still the same)
c) If you start the play on the court, can you throw the ball back into the backcourt if you are trapped which is inevitably going to happen on certain spots? Because teams will trap at specific points once you start dribbling . If your answer is yes, we are now going to allow backcourt violations under your new rule? Is this only going to be at certain times... so another rule has to change.

Next post will be the 3 down with 25 seconds to go.

 

[jncuse]

Team scores to go down 3 with 25 seconds to go.



So here is the scenario and play by play.
Team fouls with 25 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Team elects to keep the ball. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 24 seconds to go. But this time the defence is more aggressive, not flagrant, but aggressive, because its not fouling to stop the clock, its attacking a player with a ball without consequences. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 22 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 21 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 20 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 18 seconds to go. Oh crap, the offensive player just got poked in the eye and has to come out of the game. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass. T

Or a coach will find the scenario above too risky and just take the free throws. So we are either back where we were, or we have added in 10 fouls in 15 seconds by bench warmers trying to wrench the ball away.

Is this exciting?
Its also more dangerous for players because you are not fouling to stop the clock, you are playing aggressive to take a ball away.

Teams will also elect quite often just to take the free throws, because getting attacked by multiple players with the ball is dangerous offensively and for the players.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Over “X” # of files (12?) any none-shooting foul by the trailing team in the last 2 minutes is 2 shots and the ball

 

[jncuse]

This problem has already been solved. The Elam Ending is the answer. The basketball world just needs to stop resisting the obvious and best solution.

You either keep the game the way it is, or go with elam ending.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You either keep the game the way it is, or go with elam ending.

Yup. And I prefer the Elam Ending because it encourages the most natural basketball to be played. No time sensitive manipulation of the rules.

It's just hoops.

And I really like that every game ends on a knockout punch score of some kind.

 

[jncuse]

Over “X” # of files (12?) any none-shooting foul by the trailing team in the last 2 minutes is 2 shots and the ball

So a team down 1 with 35 seconds to go, commits their 12th foul of the half. The other team gets foul shots and retains the ball.

A team up 1 with 35 seconds to go commits 12th foul of the half, other teams get foul shots but do not retain the ball.

That doesn't make sense.

 

[Charbroil]

College basketball has its problems, but teams fouling late to try and extend the game is not one of them. They’ve largely cut down on the long endings by limiting the number of challenges a team can do.

Even if a college basketball game runs a little long at the end, it’s still shorter than every other major sport in America. This seems like a solution looking for a problem.

Also, the Elam Ending is awful. The people who support it are just trying to be contrarian.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Team scores to go down 3 with 25 seconds to go.



So here is the scenario and play by play.
Team fouls with 25 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Team elects to keep the ball. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 24 seconds to go. But this time the defence is more aggressive, not flagrant, but aggressive, because its not fouling to stop the clock, its attacking a player with a ball without consequences. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 22 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 21 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 20 seconds to go. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass.

- Team fouls with 18 seconds to go. Oh crap, the offensive player just got poked in the eye and has to come out of the game. Players and coaches look around to see if they should shoot free throws or keep. Oh look, here comes a substitution. 30 seconds pass. T

Or a coach will find the scenario above too risky and just take the free throws. So we are either back where we were, or we have added in 10 fouls in 15 seconds by bench warmers trying to wrench the ball away.

Is this exciting?
Its also more dangerous for players because you are not fouling to stop the clock, you are playing aggressive to take a ball away.

Teams will also elect quite often just to take the free throws, because getting attacked by multiple players with the ball is dangerous offensively and for the players.

In soccer, when the ball is placed at the spot, the officials clear out a reasonable space around the player who was fouled. I think the same could apply in basketball. This would give the offense a reasonable opportunity to anticipate and exploit a double team or an overly aggressive defender. For excessive substitution, maybe it should not be allowed for spot non-shooting fouls.

Just because it would change something fundamental about the game doesn't mean it can't improve the game.

 

[23Zone]

Elam ending it is definitely very different but in my opinion a big improvement

 

[dollarbill44]

Teams that consistently make FTs usually dont complain about the number of fouls at the end of the game.