Some random Kenpom stats, and

[Knicks411]

Playing hooky from work today, Kenpom updated their player stats through the last game. So just some random thoughts:

Kris has a turnover% of 10.1, which is 79th in the country. Pretty damn good for a guy who plays more than a catch and shoot role for the team.
Fab has an offensive rebounding % of around 15, which is inside the top 50 in the country, but a defensive rebounding% of 10.4, which is outside the top 500. His defensive rebounding rate is barely better than Scoop Jardine's; it's 30% worse than MCW's. (Limited minutes for MCW, to be sure). Best defensive rebounders have been CJ and Kris. Not coincidentally, our defensive rebounding is our biggest weakness.
Steals; we're awesome at this. Dion is #6 in the country in steal %, and Scoop is 20. MCW and Southerland would be in the top 45 in the country if they had enough minutes.
Scoop is one of the more efficient scorers on the team, his 59.3 true shooting% is behind only James. He's made 67% of his 2 pointers. (What?!?!) Scoop has also throttled down his role a bit in the offense, in both 2010 and 2011, he has the highest usage rate on the team. Dion has taken over that role from him; Scoop is pretty much tied with Brandon for second.
James as he normally does, leads the team in offensive rating. He takes a ton of 3's, makes a good amount, and pretty much never dribbles, so he never turns it over.

 

[jr4750]

In regards to your usage stat... Scoop is definitely a guy that other team's fan think has been here for ten years... Heck, sometimes I even feel that way!

 

[BuffOrange]

Interesting that the defensive rebounding weakness confirms what others have said. I personally haven't been yelling "Get a rebound" as much as years past as the other team gets a 3rd chance; maybe I just haven't been watching the right games.

Doesn't the prospectus/pomeroy philosophy believe offensive rebounding is more important? So we got that going for us.

 

[KingOtis]

Etan Thomas was the last SU center to lead the team in rebounding...and he's the only one to do so since JB went almost exclusively with the 2-3 zone.

 

[Knicks411]

Etan Thomas was the last SU center to lead the team in rebounding...and he's the only one to do so since JB went almost exclusively with the 2-3 zone.

Definitely something worth nothing, and I almost brought it up, but I didn't. Fab doesn't need to be the top defensive rebounder on the team, but both 1) he is getting outrebounded by multiple guys on the team and 2) we aren't a good defensive rebounding team are true.

Doesn't the prospectus/pomeroy philosophy believe offensive rebounding is more important? So we got that going for us.

Hmm, I think on an individual level some of the more advanced statistical systems give more credit for an offensive board than defensive, because a lot of defensive rebounds are discretionary, but on a team level, I don't think it really matters, because if we aren't getting defensive boards, the other team is getting an offensive board.

I think as long as we play 2-3, we aren't going to be a good defensive rebounding team. We're 276th in defensive rebounding this year; the year we won the title, we were 274th. This is the 10th year Kenpom has the stats for, we've ranked 250th or worse in 8 of those 10 years. (We were 211 last year, which was the second best we've done in the last 10 years. I think my favorite stat is that our best defensive rebounding team, by far far far, was our worst team of that period, 2008).

We basically always allow the other team to get around 35% of our misses, that's where we are this year. I'd like to get more, of course, but that is how it works when you play zone, so I am not going to get too worked up about our defensive rebounding on the whole. We can win and have very good defensive teams while doing a poor job on the offensive glass.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

An issue for rebounding out of the zone is that we force a lot of 3,s which can result in a lot of long rebounds. Some of those are going to go to the other team, regardless of position and hustle. Also, as discussed a while ago on the board, a blocked shot which the offense gets back counts as an offensive rebound (at least that seemed to be the consensus.) While I agree in general that we seem to give up a lot of offensive boards near the basket,I think there is some skewing of the numbers, over the course of the season.

 

[jordoo]

Fab needs to be a better defensive rebounder and he needs to help the forwards get easy defensive rebounds. Something always overlooked about AO was how well he occupied and sheilded players on the defensive glass. Our system lends itself to the forwards getting more defensive rebounds than the centers but Fab has done a poor job reguardless and IMO he is not making it considerably easier for Kris, J, Rak and james to get rebounds. He will get better at it IMO.

 

[Knicks411]

Fab needs to be a better defensive rebounder and he needs to help the forwards get easy defensive rebounds. Something always overlooked about AO was how well he occupied and sheilded players on the defensive glass. Our system lends itself to the forwards getting more defensive rebounds than the centers but Fab has done a poor job reguardless and IMO he is not making it considerably easier for Kris, J, Rak and james to get rebounds. He will get better at it IMO.

Yeah I think he will get better.

As to the forward vs center rebounding point; it's definitely fair. 2010, our best defensive rebounder was Wes, followed by Rick and then AO. (Wes played exclusively at the forward, Rick and AO split time at center, but AO was either playing center or the bench, whereas Rick split time at the two positions).

2009, our best defensive rebounder was Paul. AO and Rick were about equal.

 

[Madbiker]

Fab and Keita try to block every shot which takes them out of defensive rebounding position most of the time. I don't know why the coaching staff wants that. If they were more selective in going for block attempts (which are unsuccessful most of the time) and got into rebounding position wouldn't the team be better off?

 

[moqui]

MCW and Southerland would be in the top 45 in the country if they had enough minutes.

and Dirty almost does qualify. You need to have played 40% of your team's minutes to qualify - 40 minutes, 11 games = 440 minutes * 40% = 176 minutes; James has 175. If he plays 17 minutes vs Bucknell, he will move to qualified status (and his offensive rating will then be among the tops in the nation as well).

 

[jimsonjunction]

Fab and Keita try to block every shot which takes them out of defensive rebounding position most of the time. I don't know why the coaching staff wants that. If they were more selective in going for block attempts (which are unsuccessful most of the time) and got into rebounding position wouldn't the team be better off?

This is a good point, and it's something I brought up a couple weeks ago. I also agree with some of the above posters that Fab is getting better. During the NC State game, I noticed that he was hustling back for the boards after coming out to challenge ball handlers. I notices on several occasions that he would put up a strong battle for a rebound that would prevent the other guy from getting it but it would just bounce away... often to our own players. That's something that won't go down as a rebound for Fab but is almost as good.

 

[Orangemen]

For our team, any time someone takes a shot in close, our center will be trying to block it. If not block it, he will almost always the guy playing the primary defense.

In a man to man set up, the center is only the primary defender when his man is shooting up close.

Now, I have no idea the answer to this question, but, who typically gets a defensive rebound in a man to man situation? Is it the primary defender on the play, or is it one of the other players?

My guess is that the primary defender is not the guy most likely to get the rebound. In our zone, that, if true, will always leave our center as less likely to get rebounds than man to man defense centers.

 

[Knicks411]

and Dirty almost does qualify. You need to have played 40% of your team's minutes to qualify - 40 minutes, 11 games = 440 minutes * 40% = 176 minutes; James has 175

Didn't even bother to check that; pretty funny how close he is.

 

[OttoMets]

Regarding defensive rebounding: I'm no rebounding guru, but our players habitually wait for rebounds to come down instead of leaping to catch the ball at its apex. It was especially glaring on Saturday, because State's two CJs did a good job of skying for several misses.

For Fab, it's a problem on both ends. His inability to convert easy dunks on the offensive end is disappointing, especially in light of the fact that seemingly every team in the country has a 6'8" guy who's capable of gathering himself and dunking in traffic. Even when Fab has the ball in good post position, he's more content to flip up a difficult shot than to elevate and dunk.

 

[OrangeFoo]

For the record most of NC State's success came when they were getting a second chance almost every time they went down the court. We made our run when we started to hold them to one and done possessions. This in a large part is responsible for NC State's really high shooting percentage, lots and lots of putbacks.