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[QUOTE="MDCuse, post: 4187843, member: 7353"] But see, you're cutting out all the negatives to build a narrative. This time frame allows you to include the 2 F4 appearances but yet you neglect the missed tournament due to Jim getting whacked with sanctions for a second time (we all have our opinions on it, but it's happened, twice). You disregard the COVID year because there was no tournament, which allows you to cast off what was a BAD team. The line in the sand should be the move to the ACC. They had a FANTASTIC team their first year in the league, but it has been mediocre, at best, since then. They had the 1 F4 run in 16 that we need to be honest about. They caught a MASSIVE break with MTSU beating MSU in the first round. I get that's how the tourney goes, but that plays to my point. The tourney is a crapshoot of matchups. Including this year, they will have made the tourney 5 of 9 times (and I'm absolutely counting the COVID year, that team existed and was bad). They haven't finished higher than 6th since that inaugural year. They haven't been higher than an 8 seed since the initial season in the ACC. They have had to sweat our Selection Sunday in 2 of their last 3 seasons. I have a hard time accepting the fact that some fans will boil down the season to a 2 game sample season in March that is as much about timing and matchup as it is about how good your team actually is. Meanwhile, they'll cast off a 30 game sample they just watched. I'm sorry, but this program has become irrelevant in the national landscape. They are now the "plucky underdog" that snuck in and won a game or 2. That's what this program has become. They're Butler and trending more and more towards where Butler is now. [/QUOTE]
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