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I agree 100% on that. Smith is a bull dog. They need short passes to PTG in space (like a run).
Smith is averaging 11.4 yards per catch, Gulley 7.7.
I agree 100% on that. Smith is a bull dog. They need short passes to PTG in space (like a run).
When Nassib got the job as a sophomore and put up decent numbers, (after years of having poor QB numbers), I saw a problem in that he'd likely be the QB the rest of his career while talent piled up behind him. He is not a Marorne recruit. The Marrone recruits are the guys behind him. Yes, they are behind him, so they aren't exactly Cam Newton but you don't normally replace a competent starter just because the guy behind him might turn out to be better. Maybe you should. But I could see Nassib becoming a bottleneck that prevented the guys behind him from getting a chance and that may have happened. if so, we don't know how good or bad Marrone's QB recruiting has been because none of the guys he's recruited have played yet.
it would be interesting to know just how "open" the competition at quarterback has really been the last couple of years.
are you fing kidding me IB have you watched us get stoned about 100 times inside the 10 yard line the last four games. What are you watching? The play calling has been a fing disaster. Give our O to any oc that we have played against and we win two more games possibly three and we blow out SB.That the problems on offense are play calling or scheme. Sure there is some questionable calls, but I see an o line that got beat consistently yesterday and a 5th year qb that continues to force plays and gets careless with the football. To me Marrones biggest issue is recruiting and turnovers from a guy that should know better, if this is hacks fault I just don't buy it.
Marrone has failed by not recruiting a better qb if people want to lay blame and no doubt on special teams
i'm completely with you here. i think he's crazy to wait til his 5th year to play a qb he recruited out of high school but i'm not willing to fire him over it. that bought him time up front, but later on i think it means he better get it right. if he doesn't have good qb play in 2014, it might be time to find someone who can in 2015.That the problems on offense are play calling or scheme. Sure there is some questionable calls, but I see an o line that got beat consistently yesterday and a 5th year qb that continues to force plays and gets careless with the football. To me Marrones biggest issue is recruiting and turnovers from a guy that should know better, if this is hacks fault I just don't buy it.
Marrone has failed by not recruiting a better qb if people want to lay blame and no doubt on special teams
So you think Marrone doesn't play the best players thus reducing his chances of winning? And what does it matter that he is a Grob recruit?
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you have a bad habit of sloppily misrepresenting what people say.The subject was that Nassib proves that Marrone can't recruit quarterbacks. And, yes, coaches don't necessarily open up quarterback competitions when they have a competent guy in that spot, even if someone behind him might turn out to be better. Todd Helton once started ahead of Peyton Manning at Tennessee.
you have a bad habit of sloppily misrepresenting what people say.
"Marrone has failed by not recruiting a better qb if people want to lay blame" does not mean "Nassib proves that Marrone can't recruit quarterbacks"
If Marrone's quarterbacks haven't been playing, then how do we know that's he failed to recruit a good one? "Because they aren't playing." But is it possible they aren't playing because Nassib isn't bad enough to demote so Marrone's recruits just aren't getting a chance?
So, through your deduction, Brett Favre was also a bad QB, too, right?He's also on track to break the INT record and probably total turnover record as well. We went all in on Nassib this season- his stats will be inflated but he also has that many more chances to up.
The subject was that Nassib proves that Marrone can't recruit quarterbacks. And, yes, coaches don't necessarily open up quarterback competitions when they have a competent guy in that spot, even if someone behind him might turn out to be better. Todd Helton once started ahead of Peyton Manning at Tennessee.
Agreed except I believe the real recruiting failure has been the inability to recruit any skill position difference makers.
I remember that we recruited Brandon Coleman, and when we didn't get him people said it was no big deal.I really wish more people would talk about this, because it's 1000% true.
Look at Saturday, say what you will about Nassib but he wasn't helped by Sales and Lemon having horrible drops in key spots. Neither of these guys would have cracked the starting lineup for us throughout the 90s.
We also rarely get meaningful YAC. Some of that is on Nassib, but a lot of it is on our receivers never having separation or speed.
Meanwhile all season there have been plays where Smith and PTG got 5-6 yards when backs like Mungro, Dee Brown, Kyle McIntosh, etc would have blasted through for 15-20.
We have ZERO difference makers at the skill positions.
4 years in and it's incredibly alarming.
The thing I don't get is we're not winning. Does it matter if we're not winning with Nassib? Can we see what Broyld, or Hunt, can do?
I really wish more people would talk about this, because it's 1000% true.
Look at Saturday, say what you will about Nassib but he wasn't helped by Sales and Lemon having horrible drops in key spots. Neither of these guys would have cracked the starting lineup for us throughout the 90s.
We also rarely get meaningful YAC. Some of that is on Nassib, but a lot of it is on our receivers never having separation or speed.
Meanwhile all season there have been plays where Smith and PTG got 5-6 yards when backs like Mungro, Dee Brown, Kyle McIntosh, etc would have blasted through for 15-20.
We have ZERO difference makers at the skill positions.
4 years in and it's incredibly alarming.
I really wish more people would talk about this, because it's 1000% true.
Look at Saturday, say what you will about Nassib but he wasn't helped by Sales and Lemon having horrible drops in key spots. Neither of these guys would have cracked the starting lineup for us throughout the 90s.
We also rarely get meaningful YAC. Some of that is on Nassib, but a lot of it is on our receivers never having separation or speed.
Meanwhile all season there have been plays where Smith and PTG got 5-6 yards when backs like Mungro, Dee Brown, Kyle McIntosh, etc would have blasted through for 15-20.
We have ZERO difference makers at the skill positions.
4 years in and it's incredibly alarming.
That is not what you said at all in the post I responded to..
And maybe Helton was better at the time. Brady didn't start his whole career either and we beat the snot out of him. It happens.
I really wish more people would talk about this, because it's 1000% true.
Look at Saturday, say what you will about Nassib but he wasn't helped by Sales and Lemon having horrible drops in key spots. Neither of these guys would have cracked the starting lineup for us throughout the 90s.
We also rarely get meaningful YAC. Some of that is on Nassib, but a lot of it is on our receivers never having separation or speed.
Meanwhile all season there have been plays where Smith and PTG got 5-6 yards when backs like Mungro, Dee Brown, Kyle McIntosh, etc would have blasted through for 15-20.
We have ZERO difference makers at the skill positions.
4 years in and it's incredibly alarming.
Smith had a first-half run that got us inside the ten (maybe down to around the five). A Rutgers defender tracked him down. That run would have been a touchdown for every Syracuse first-string tailback from about 1987 to 2004.
And regarding the receivers: yes. I don't know that neither would have started through the '90s, but it's clear that that position is hurting the team. People are quicker to bash Nassib (who's earned a bit of bashing); all we hear is that Sales is a gamer. Gamer? Please. A receiver who never gets separation, blocks half-heartedly, and drops a pass per game isn't a gamer, he's a weak link.
Hate to second-guess the coaches on most things, but why did Flemming lose four games with an injury, then appear on player participation for two games with no involvement in the offense? He supposedly had a good summer. If he can contribute, use him. If he can't, use the redshirt.