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Does eveyone still think that adding a basketball-only school to balance out ND's presence as a partial member, and then adding a football-only school to balance out ND's football program, when they join*, is still crazy?

*And, they will eventually join.
 
I think the ACC will be just fine with a 15 team BB league, and when the time comes that ND decides to add their FB ... there will be PLENTY of better options for school #16 than Navy as a FB only.
 
Georgetown would add basketball and LaX...

I threw up a little bit in my mouth as I wrote this.
 
I think the ACC will be just fine with a 15 team BB league, and when the time comes that ND decides to add their FB ... there will be PLENTY of better options for school #16 than Navy as a FB only.
...but none that ND is interested in playing. The ACC BARELY got ND to agree to playing 5 games a year (one of which is a rivalry game). Good luck at convincing them to play 9.
 
...but none that ND is interested in playing. The ACC BARELY got ND to agree to playing 5 games a year (one of which is a rivalry game). Good luck at convincing them to play 9.

Didn't you just say that "they will eventually join."??? If you'll never convince ND to play 9 conference games ... they'll never join.

And the ACC will just continue with 14 football and 15 olympic members.
 
Didn't you just say that "they will eventually join."??? If you'll never convince ND to play 9 conference games ... they'll never join.

And the ACC will just continue with 14 football and 15 olympic members.
They will eventually convince ND to join. It's not if, it's when. Adding Navy would cut that time down by at least 2 contracts, which is 25 years.
 
No one else will be added. If ND ever moves their FB team in full time, the ACC will add a 16th team at that point. But not before.

The "hybrid" exception is a one time deal, for ND only, IMO.

Getting ND at this point is nothing less than a value added home run for the ACC. It's that simple.
 
The ACC BARELY got ND to agree to playing 5 games a year (one of which is a rivalry game). Good luck at convincing them to play 9.
And yet, here they are in the ACC. So, you're saying "Good luck at convincing them to play 9", and yet you are guaranteeing they will join. Which is it?
 
I'm not an ND worshipper (good program ... but the blind loyalty of ND's fan-base is annoying). And I'm a little sore at them for nixing ESPN's 1.2-1.3B offer to the BE. But it's all working out well for the 'Cuse, and I concede that the ND brand does bring some value to the ACC, along with a good academic reputation -- they're a good fit. I wouldn't be surprised if the ACC is able to re-negotiate a better number with ESPN after ND's decision to join the conference.
 
And yet, here they are in the ACC. So, you're saying "Good luck at convincing them to play 9", and yet you are guaranteeing they will join. Which is it?
OK, let me rephrase: "good luck at easily (or quickly) convincing them to play 9." Getting every additional game out of Notre Dame is painful. Waiting an additional 25+ years to have UCONN as opposed to Navy/GU isn't an attractive option IMO. Navy has a better fan base, GU has similar basketball, and the Navy/GU has better academics.

Assume adding ND and another school increases the ACC's media deal by $6 million/yr/school. Is it worth it that to you to pass that up for 25+ years?
 
Yes. No need to go to 18. No need to go beyond 15.
 
OK, let me rephrase: "good luck at easily (or quickly) convincing them to play 9." Getting every additional game out of Notre Dame is painful. Waiting an additional 25+ years to have UCONN as opposed to Navy/GU isn't an attractive option IMO. Navy has a better fan base, GU has similar basketball, and the Navy/GU has better academics.

Assume adding ND and another school increases the ACC's media deal by $6 million/yr/school. Is it worth it that to you to pass that up for 25+ years?
Where did you get that $6M figure? No estimate I've seen is remotely that high.

And, the ACC is not adding any more members, certainly not partial ones. The only change going forward will occur if/when ND decides to move its FB program to the ACC.
 
Somebody on Charlotte radio summed it up perfectly. Notre Dame will compete in the ACC in all sports but football. So they're Duke.
If I could give this post (or actually, this caller) more than one 'Like', I would.
 
In terms of a good "fit", Vandy makes sense. They would never leave the SEC though. If ND joined as a full down the road, what would happen with ESPN's ACC contract? Maybe we could lure Vandy in?
 
Where did you get that $6M figure? No estimate I've seen is remotely that high.

And, the ACC is not adding any more members, certainly not partial ones. The only change going forward will occur if/when ND decides to move its FB program to the ACC.

Do the math. Notre Dame's media contract is projected to be around $25 million/yr for ND, and ND splits it with the teams that play at ND. That's $50 million for 8 home games on average. Divide $50 million by 8, and then multiply it by 11 (9 ACC games and 2 of the 3 OOC games). That equals $68.75 million. Assume that division championship games make roughly twice as much as regular season games, and assume that ND will make one 50% of the time (and that is low balling it). That means that ND's contribution to their Division Championship game would be $3,125,062.5 million/yr. Assume that the conference championship game is worth roughly 3 regular season games, and ND will make it roughly 33.34% of the time (they will win the dividion championship game 2/3 of the time that they play in it). This means that their contribution to the media value of that game would be $3,125,062.50. Assume that ND's non-football sports are worth $5 million/yr (this is slightly above what non-fball nBE teams were projected to make, which is fair, bc ND has the best non-football sports in the BIG EAST). That works out to be $80 million dollars of added value in TV revenue from ND alone. Add in $20 million from a Navy/GU combo [this is even low balling it, because Navy football and GU basketball are two of the top media-value programs left in the nBE]. That's a combined increase of $100 million in media revenue alone. Throw in money from current ACC teams for the two extra division championship games, which is roughly $10 million. Throw in increases due to synergies, like sandwiching ND games between ACC games to increase overall viewership of all the games (i.e. have ND's next conference adversary play the game immediately after the ND game, so that the ND fans watch it to scout them out, and the other team's fans would watch ND to scout them out) and increased bargaining power, and it is easily $6 million a team, plus money from increases in attendance, especially when the retained media rights for individual schools are considered. (It's over $4.5 million/school/year before attendance, synergies, retained media rights, and increases in bargaining leverage are considered)

It has taken over 25 years for the ACC to convince ND to move from around 3 ACC teams a year (usually Miami, BC, and Pitt) to the current 5 games/yr, and adding each game to ND's schedule gets progressively harder, because the low hanging fruit is removed. How long do you think it will take to convince ND that playing UCONN every year is a good idea, and do you want to wait that long to see the increase in payouts?
 
Trade Vandy for NCState.
I would too, but I dont see Vandy ever leaving the SEC. The SEC needs their academics, and Vandy needs SEC money/sports. Also, vandy was a founding member.
 
Do the math. Notre Dame's media contract is projected to be around $25 million/yr for ND, and ND splits it with the teams that play at ND. That's $50 million for 8 home games on average. Divide $50 million by 8, and then multiply it by 11 (9 ACC games and 2 of the 3 OOC games). That equals $68.75 million. Assume that division championship games make roughly twice as much as regular season games, and assume that ND will make one 50% of the time (and that is low balling it). That means that ND's contribution to their Division Championship game would be $3,125,062.5 million/yr. Assume that the conference championship game is worth roughly 3 regular season games, and ND will make it roughly 33.34% of the time (they will win the dividion championship game 2/3 of the time that they play in it). This means that their contribution to the media value of that game would be $3,125,062.50. Assume that ND's non-football sports are worth $5 million/yr (this is slightly above what non-fball nBE teams were projected to make, which is fair, bc ND has the best non-football sports in the BIG EAST). That works out to be $80 million dollars of added value in TV revenue from ND alone. Add in $20 million from a Navy/GU combo [this is even low balling it, because Navy football and GU basketball are two of the top media-value programs left in the nBE]. That's a combined increase of $100 million in media revenue alone. Throw in money from current ACC teams for the two extra division championship games, which is roughly $10 million. Throw in increases due to synergies, like sandwiching ND games between ACC games to increase overall viewership of all the games (i.e. have ND's next conference adversary play the game immediately after the ND game, so that the ND fans watch it to scout them out, and the other team's fans would watch ND to scout them out) and increased bargaining power, and it is easily $6 million a team, plus money from increases in attendance, especially when the retained media rights for individual schools are considered. (It's over $4.5 million/school/year before attendance, synergies, retained media rights, and increases in bargaining leverage are considered)

It has taken over 25 years for the ACC to convince ND to move from around 3 ACC teams a year (usually Miami, BC, and Pitt) to the current 5 games/yr, and adding each game to ND's schedule gets progressively harder, because the low hanging fruit is removed. How long do you think it will take to convince ND that playing UCONN every year is a good idea, and do you want to wait that long to see the increase in payouts?
B A L O N E Y.

That's the nicest way I can say it.
 
Btw, UCONN bball just went to ! They are under sanction and Calhoun just retired. So, now they s*ck at everything.

Rutgers is well... Rutgers. They s*ck at everythin gby default. It was an embarrassment to even be in the same cofnerence as them.

and,

UL academics are pathetic. (although, they are the second best option)
 

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