Sources: ESPN OK's option to televise ACC sports through '36

[GHLF]

A large passionate fan base is always there, even with losing seasons. Syracuse football may have had that in the 1960s, but it sure as all Hell does not have anything close to that now. Neither does Pitt, which had that as late as the Sherrill years and began losing it very quickly thereafter. BC really didn't even have that when Flutie played. And it has lessened considerably since then. PSU has that still - and always will.

That is what the northeast is for Major CFB. The 3 northeastern states schools in the ACC plus Rutgers all have trouble regularly bringing in more TV viewers than Vanderbilt, which will always dead last in the SEC.

CBB is a very different animal as Dave Gavitte grasped. And the BE can be truly major in very basketball sense without playing any level of football. That is simply not possible in any other region of the country. And as Major CFB seems to be 10 times more valuable than CBB, what relay matters to. plague is having members that always have passionate CFB fans, not just when the team wins 9 or more games. That is the quandary the ACC faces in trying to cut that TV money disparity.

The really ugly part of the northeastern basketball thing for the ACC is that the only way to fully maximize the value of Syracuse is to have UConn, which would be worse for ACC football than even BC because UConn football has 0 history and legacy and has never developed any following even from among its alums and within CT.

The ACC is never going to get any appreciable money from any TV network for having 3 schools located in northeastern states. The four very large AAU state schools located in MT would bring value. Dropping Wake would bring some value even if the replacement were not a large state Flagship and/or Land Grant in a new state.

You seem to be a historian on SU, eastern sports. I guess we have some work to do. Your TV metrics are flawed. Private vs land grant, yes. But we gladly embrace the challenge. We trust for a good lobby and a great coach. By the way I actually think there is going to be a migration northward, who knows. Killer place to live, raise a family and soooo much fun.

 

[baggerbob]

You seem to be a historian on SU, eastern sports. I guess we have some work to do. Your TV metrics are flawed. Private vs land grant, yes. But we gladly embrace the challenge. We trust for a good lobby and a great coach. By the way I actually think there is going to be a migration northward, who knows. Killer place to live, raise a family and soooo much fun.

And as I have stated many times , years of going to national bowling tournaments and seeing many of the organizers there who orinally came from, the north.
A lot of them are still out there waiting for Syracuse to get good again.
And by the way at almost none of these places
did anyone care about North Carolina or Virginia, and the ACC.

 

[WoadBlue]

You seem to be a historian on SU, eastern sports. I guess we have some work to do. Your TV metrics are flawed. Private vs land grant, yes. But we gladly embrace the challenge. We trust for a good lobby and a great coach. By the way I actually think there is going to be a migration northward, who knows. Killer place to live, raise a family and soooo much fun.

Number of people living in any space has next to nothing to do with schools having larger and passionate CFB fan bases. Flagships and Land Grant schools explain why ;eagles like the SEC and BT have all the advantages, but the rest of the explanation lies in the fact that different regions of the US are quite different in how they follow sports.

The northeast has always been far more focused on Pro Sports than any other region. There is no hint that that can ever change. That means that you will find what should be obvious to all: a heavily populated region. with just 1 university that a large football fan base. In an age of national broadcasts, you is simply cannot have even a couple schools in. that region, unless one of them is that 1 with huge fan base, and get TV numbers needed to compete with all the passionate fans of so many schools in rote Midwest and South.

That is what JoePa was forced to face, which is when he gave up his silly Eastern League idea. He realized that even with no Big East (which was founded for basketball only), and even if somehow he could get Maryland to join, that proposed Eastern League never could sustain solid national TV numbers. So PSU always would be behind BT teams in TV revenue.

He also then looked at the ACC and saw that MD had become fully northeastern in that sense and VA and NC were anything but classically SZouthertn - as both had become states in which CBB was watched in numbers equal top CFB and that neither had anything close to a strong Friday Night Lights HS football culture. So for JoePa, knowing that football is KING, the only move PSU should make would be to the BT. And he wooed the BT hard, even accepting the public insult when the BT offer was temporarly retracted publicly, while he wooed some more.

Even 10 yers ago, most PSU fans talked rather openly about how the BT fans and even journalists had never really accepted PSU. They were right. The reason is that deeply ingrained in there midwestern CFB mind, almost as much as in the Southern CFB mind, northeastern CFB. equals poor quality not worth watching and no fans. Even 100K in Beaver Stadium week after week really could not alter their biases.

All that, including the NC and VA problems, is what the ACC faces. WE do not have enough state flagships and/or Land Grants. We do have half nearly enough schools with stadiums at least 80K seats. We do not have enough schools located in states with great HS FB and a strong HS football culture. WE do have too many private schools.

 

[WoadBlue]

And as I have stated many times , years of going to national bowling tournaments and seeing many of the organizers there who orinally came from, the north.
A lot of them are still out there waiting for Syracuse to get good again.
And by the way at almost none of these places
did anyone care about North Carolina or Virginia, and the ACC.

Bowling? Maybe you and the bowler people should recreate BE football. I bet it would be a smashing success - super TV numbers. Blow past the leftover ACC with no trouble.

 

[Toga]

Bowling? Maybe you and the bowler people should recreate BE football. I bet it would be a smashing success - super TV numbers. Blow past the leftover ACC with no trouble.

Nebraska usually is the champion in Women's bowling. Little known fact.

 

[WoadBlue]

Nebraska usually is the champion in Women's bowling. Little known fact.

And I'll bet that virtual 100% of them know how football wealth and power are built by schools and conferences and feel confident that northeastern CFB is fairly poor quality and not worth anything at all.

The chick bowlers in TX, AL, and AZ will have very similar assessments.