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Spring Practice Day #10: April 3, 2018

Damn well, guess you can delete my custis thread
 
Trueblue25 said:
Syracuse football turning senior into a 6-foot-5 slot receiver
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On the surface, this seems like a weird move. Custis is our biggest and maybe our fastest receiver. I bet he has the best vertical of all the WRs as well. His hands aren't great and maybe he doesn't run his routes as perfectly as the staff might want. He seems ideally suited to playing on the outside.

But when the staff tried to use Nykeim inside last year, he was run off his routes routinely. I think he was just too small and weak to get through the traffic there, at least against the good teams we play that have a plethora of physical CBs to throw at us. Plus, I think small guys like he, Sharod and Sean Riley are hard to find and hit with passes in that kind of traffic.

When we have tried to get the ball to Jamel on the outside, he has struggled to get open.

Opposing defenses are not going to be able to defend the inside as easily with Custis charging through those inside lanes. The DCs at Clemson and FSU might need to pause and think about how they are going to defend the middle against the pass. The real question here is, can Jamel hang on to the ball on these kinds of routes? If so, this could be a great move.
 
Is Jamal Custis essentially becoming A Hybrid slot/TE like Charles Clay was for the dolphins?

If so, i suggested this two years ago and will be expecting to be hired onto Dino’s staff.
 
I've never understood why it was assumed smaller recievers play the slot and bigger recievers play outside. Maybe he'll be more comfortable catching the ball on a different part of the field.
 
sutomcat said:
On the surface, this seems like a weird move. Custis is our biggest and maybe our fastest receiver. I bet he has the best vertical of all the WRs as well. His hands aren't great and maybe he doesn't run his routes as perfectly as the staff might want. He seems ideally suited to playing on the outside.

But when the staff tried to use Nykeim inside last year, he was run off his routes routinely. I think he was just too small and weak to get through the traffic there, at least against the good teams we play that have a plethora of physical CBs to throw at us. Plus, I think small guys like he, Sharod and Sean Riley are hard to find and hit with passes in that kind of traffic.

When we have tried to get the ball to Jamel on the outside, he has struggled to get open.

Opposing defenses are not going to be able to defend the inside as easily with Custis charging through those inside lanes. The DCs at Clemson and FSU might need to pause and think about how they are going to defend the middle against the pass. The real question here is, can Jamel hang on to the ball on these kinds of routes? If so, this could be a great move.
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This is why it can make sense for him to be a slot guy.

A lot of quicker passes and if his routes aren't all that crisp it's still a bit easier to get open when you're more than likely faster than the man in front of you.

I think doing this now just opens up the playbook more in general. If JC is lined up outside 2 or 3 drives in a row - how does the defense react if he's in the slot the next time?

A lot of possibilities on paper - excited to see this new wrinkle on turf
 
I would bet we're going to see alot of stick-nod style concepts with Custis on the inside paired up with another possession guy like Pierce. Fast guys on the outside (think Nykeim, Butler, Sherrod, even Cordy) would give you that vertical stretch and stick- nod combo to the field side. Very dangerous for a defense with the type of personnel we can put on the field.
 
sufandu said:
I've never understood why it was assumed smaller recievers play the slot and bigger recievers play outside. Maybe he'll be more comfortable catching the ball on a different part of the field.
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I'm not sure why, but have always assumed it is due to relative quickness and the ability to avoid big hits.
 
jr4750 said:
Well said Tom. Custis and Ravian Pierce will be two big targets to stretch the middle of the field with. Perhaps this opens up the run game a bit as well.
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Having an extra TE sized guy inside should definitely be helpful on running plays or even to help protect the QB.
 
sufandu said:
Just a nitpick, my guess is that the concern is shoulder dislocation, not separation.
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I laid a block shoulder first in touch football once. Not sure if separation or dislocation, but man did it hurt.
 
LeMoyneCuse said:
I laid a block shoulder first in touch football once. Not sure if separation or dislocation, but man did it hurt.
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If it involved your collar bone it was separation. If it involved where your arm connects at the shoulder, a dislocation (or maybe subluxation). Separation is what you normally see when a a guy is driven into the turf shoulder first. Dislocation often occurrs with the arm in a certain position and it's forced too far, think a qb throwing and just as his arm is about to transition from backward motion to forward motion it is forced to continue rotating backward more than it should.
 
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IthacaMatt said:
Julian Whigam is great at what he does.
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I like JW too. Like his delivery and energy and love that he is still around the program in this capacity . Did he indeed graduate from New
house?

I will never forget that violent hit he took at FSU and have always thought it was very cool that Jimbo visited him in the hospital that night.

GO JW!
 
sutomcat said:
On the surface, this seems like a weird move. Custis is our biggest and maybe our fastest receiver. I bet he has the best vertical of all the WRs as well. His hands aren't great and maybe he doesn't run his routes as perfectly as the staff might want. He seems ideally suited to playing on the outside.

But when the staff tried to use Nykeim inside last year, he was run off his routes routinely. I think he was just too small and weak to get through the traffic there, at least against the good teams we play that have a plethora of physical CBs to throw at us. Plus, I think small guys like he, Sharod and Sean Riley are hard to find and hit with passes in that kind of traffic.

When we have tried to get the ball to Jamel on the outside, he has struggled to get open.

Opposing defenses are not going to be able to defend the inside as easily with Custis charging through those inside lanes. The DCs at Clemson and FSU might need to pause and think about how they are going to defend the middle against the pass. The real question here is, can Jamel hang on to the ball on these kinds of routes? If so, this could be a great move.
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Like your points but I think we are all witnessing a bit of a revolution in terms of the way football and hoops, college and pro are played.

I liken the move of JC to the slot as maybe analogous to what we have seen in hoops; big, long players playing away from the basket, seeking space and shooting from anywhere . We saw this with Wagner and even Novas bif forwards last night. Hoops, college and pro is in the middle of a revolution now; space and shoot. The post up center is a thing of the past. Football is in the middle of change too, especially on offense. Offenses seek the same spacing as hoops and JC in the slot is another big, skilled player playing in more space. Could be a great move!

That's todays game, use the whole field, sideline to sideline, speed and space . I have argued that there are a few HOF linebakers that would struggle in today's game for this reason. Go JW and good move Dino!
 
UnknownOrange said:
This is why it can make sense for him to be a slot guy.

A lot of quicker passes and if his routes aren't all that crisp it's still a bit easier to get open when you're more than likely faster than the man in front of you.

I think doing this now just opens up the playbook more in general. If JC is lined up outside 2 or 3 drives in a row - how does the defense react if he's in the slot the next time?

A lot of possibilities on paper - excited to see this new wrinkle on turf
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Just needs to make sure his concentration level is at 100. We use a lot of those quick passes in place of runs and any drops really hurt in putting us behind schedule.
 
I love the move of Custis to Inside WR. Could be that SJohnson is also forcing the move. Lots of reasons.

Babers has said in the past he wants to get bigger in the slot.
 
sufandu said:
I've never understood why it was assumed smaller recievers play the slot and bigger recievers play outside. Maybe he'll be more comfortable catching the ball on a different part of the field.
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me either. I also think it's easier for the QB to see the tall kid over the line. The farther away the small guy is from the lineman would make him easier to see imo.
 
PhatOrange said:
I love the move of Custis to Inside WR. Could be that SJohnson is also forcing the move. Lots of reasons.

Babers has said in the past he wants to get bigger in the slot.
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For all intents and purposes, wasn't Ravian Pierce also a slot receiver last season?

I don't recall him lining up much if at all next to the Tackle or as a lead H-back type of blocker.
 
Ish88888 said:
I like JW too. Like his delivery and energy and love that he is still around the program in this capacity . Did he indeed graduate from New
house?

I will never forget that violent hit he took at FSU and have always thought it was very cool that Jimbo visited him in the hospital that night.

GO JW!
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No. He is a student at Newhouse and an intern this semester at the PS.
 
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