starting season with 5 games scoring 24 or more is rare here

[Millhouse]

Didn't look through all years but no mcnabb team ever had 24 in each of the first five games. I know, schedule. But it is interesting, 2000 on, this is the only year

 

[44cuse]

Didn't look through all years but no mcnabb team ever had 24 in each of the first five games. I know, schedule. But it is interesting

I don't know the answer...I'm just asking. How frequently does that happen anywhere?

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[Millhouse]

I don't know the answer...I'm just asking. How frequently does that happen anywhere?

44cuse

No clue

 

[Millhouse]

Last time here was 1959

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I don't know the answer...I'm just asking. How frequently does that happen anywhere?

44cuse

Shot in the dark - it happens more frequently in the last 15 years or so than it used to.

 

[Chip]

When Art Briles hears this, and then someone tells him we play in a Dome, he'll need CPR.

 

[GoSU96]

Didn't look through all years but no mcnabb team ever had 24 in each of the first five games. I know, schedule. But it is interesting, 2000 on, this is the only year

The defenses played to date are all pretty good (URI aside). It is a positive.

Dungey is 9th in passer rating. 7/1 TD/Int ration. 9.4 per attempt. 3rd best TD per attempt ratio.

And he's been doing this with a faltering run game and less than 20 attempts per game.

16 TD's by the offense already vs 18 all of last year.

Issue really is running the ball. They need to settle down, figure a rotation, find away that isn't so QB centric, and get to at least 150 and then pass the ball enough to get in the 250 range. That would be fine for this year.

 

[qdawgg]

The defenses played to date are all pretty good (URI aside). It is a positive.

Dungey is 9th in passer rating. 7/1 TD/Int ration. 9.4 per attempt. 3rd best TD per attempt ratio.

And he's been doing this with a faltering run game and less than 20 attempts per game.

16 TD's by the offense already vs 18 all of last year.

Issue really is running the ball. They need to settle down, figure a rotation, find away that isn't so QB centric, and get to at least 150 and then pass the ball enough to get in the 250 range. That would be fine for this year.

Can we have get the play calling in the 3rd Q in the 1st half too? It was interesting, when the play calling in the 1st half was questionable Dungey missed a few throws and didn't look comfortable, maybe it felt like that because it felt like he was barely throwing. When we opened up the passing he looked so much better and looked like he had been looking in previous games. Let that kid throw the ball and then let Fredericks run the ball when we have the defense on their heels.

 

[TheCusian]

Can we have get the play calling in the 3rd Q in the 1st half too? It was interesting, when the play calling in the 1st half was questionable Dungey missed a few throws and didn't look comfortable, maybe it felt like that because it felt like he was barely throwing. When we opened up the passing he looked so much better and looked like he had been looking in previous games. Let that kid throw the ball and then let Fredericks run the ball when we have the defense on their heels.

To be fair Lester said he was trying to ease Dungey along because he was missing reads in both the run and passing game pretty consistently early. That's especially true with the early option plays that looked like they just got blown up. He said one time he just flat out ran the wrong way.

Maybe throwing more shakes that out of his system quicker. But it could have been young guy on the road figuring it out. Which will happen to freshman.

 

[GoSU96]

Can we have get the play calling in the 3rd Q in the 1st half too? It was interesting, when the play calling in the 1st half was questionable Dungey missed a few throws and didn't look comfortable, maybe it felt like that because it felt like he was barely throwing. When we opened up the passing he looked so much better and looked like he had been looking in previous games. Let that kid throw the ball and then let Fredericks run the ball when we have the defense on their heels.

Kids third start, not going to get to worked up about an approach to bring him along.

7 conference games the rest of the way however and the pass game has been the most effective of the two. I think they need to be more balanced from the start. I thought the short pass game to Ishmael and Parris worked well Saturday.

 

[Chip]

Kids third start, not going to get to worked up about an approach to bring him along.

7 conference games the rest of the way however and the pass game has been the most effective of the two. I think they need to be more balanced from the start. I thought the short pass game to Ishmael and Parris worked well Saturday.

You think we'll have to pass to setup the run?

I do think just going with Fredericks from the start, and not being so reliant on the option (mixing it in better), will get the running game going earlier.

 

[Millhouse]

Kids third start, not going to get to worked up about an approach to bring him along. 7 conference games the rest of the way however and the pass game has been the most effective of the two. I think they need to be more balanced from the start. I thought the short pass game to Ishmael and Parris worked well Saturday.

Kid can play. Forget bringing him along.

 

[Finwad32]

Kid can play. Forget bringing him along.

He can play, but he needs better field awareness. That's going to come with experience. When he's trying to escape the rush and rolls back across his body, that's worked for him a handful of times but has a much larger chance to be very negative.

Once he gains experience, and understanding of what the defense is doing, he's going to be VERY good. I'm can't say it enough.

Although I'm not going to damn the staff for trying to ease him into some things, I'm with you, roll the ball out and let's go.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

To be fair Lester said he was trying to ease Dungey along because he was missing reads in both the run and passing game pretty consistently early.

I get that. Do we have any plays that don't require as much read? Straight handoffs, really simple passing trees, etc.? This slow start stuff hurts.

 

[Finwad32]

I get that. Do we have any plays that don't require as much read? Straight handoffs, really simple passing trees, etc.? This slow start stuff hurts.

I know that there's some classic concepts in there in regards to play action or the flood concept for instance. Even if you're a zone read team you can make base calls where he doesn't have to read any key man and just hands it off no matter what.

This is what I'll say though, he's made enough reads to let me know that the more we run them against live competition the better he's going to get. Terrell Hunt was notorious for missing reads, his escapability just bailed him out. Keep with the program, keep the faith, he's going to continually get better.

 

[TheCusian]

I know that there's some classic concepts in there in regards to play action or the flood concept for instance. Even if you're a zone read team you can make base calls where he doesn't have to read any key man and just hands it off no matter what.

This is what I'll say though, he's made enough reads to let me know that the more we run them against live competition the better he's going to get. Terrell Hunt was notorious for missing reads, his escapability just bailed him out. Keep with the program, keep the faith, he's going to continually get better.

Yeah - he needs to start faster. I think he will.

 

[GoSU96]

Kid can play. Forget bringing him along.

Agree.

Might have to get away from the "pound the rock" approach and get more balanced.

This OL isn't good enough, and the QB run threat isn't enough of a threat, to force feed the run against 7 and 8 in the box.

 

[baggerbob]

Didn't look through all years but no mcnabb team ever had 24 in each of the first five games. I know, schedule. But it is interesting, 2000 on, this is the only year

Starting w

Agree.

Might have to get away from the "pound the rock" approach and get more balanced.

This OL isn't good enough, and the QB run threat isn't enough of a threat, to force feed the run against 7 and 8 in the box.

Don't need a tight end who only catches passes for 5 yards either. Move Custis, and Enoicy there, and give Eric, an out over the middle. Louisville, and others use that against us all the time.

 

[Millhouse]

He can play, but he needs better field awareness. That's going to come with experience. When he's trying to escape the rush and rolls back across his body, that's worked for him a handful of times but has a much larger chance to be very negative. Once he gains experience, and understanding of what the defense is doing, he's going to be VERY good. I'm can't say it enough. Although I'm not going to damn the staff for trying to ease him into some things, I'm with you, roll the ball out and let's go.

part of the reason I'm channeling mcf***it in the PS because the defense is so bad. Why worry about qb mistakes when we can't stop anyone

 

[SUFan44]

What does it gain by "bringing him along"? That never made any sense to me.

 

[crzdsufan]

What does it gain by "bringing him along"? That never made any sense to me.

In a word, confidence. I'm on board with speeding up the process but he is a kid with not even three entire games on tap. Also based on how the defense responded to a personal foul, late or not he shouldn't have put himself and the team in that position, I'd hate to see the defense check itself out because the true freshman made a innocent mistake.
More worried how the D Line got blown up the entire second half. First couple games we give crazy passing yards and the last two equally disturbing running yards. I expected trouble on the "D" this year but not on the line if healthy, and we are healthy.

 

[Millhouse]

When Art Briles hears this, and then someone tells him we play in a Dome, he'll need CPR.

this is not a once in 56 years offense. There were a surprising number of stinkers during the dome glory years. I hate myself for even thinking to check that

 

[44cuse]

Shot in the dark - it happens more frequently in the last 15 years or so than it used to.

I think you;re probably right, but it would be really interesting to know.

44cuse