State of the Orange

[DangerZone]

At 15-10, I thought it might be a good time to peruse the wins and losses and list them according to KenPom's current ranking:

Is anyone else surprised that the second-best win is Cornell? I also found just 9 games (1-8 record) against the Top 100 to be alarming.

 

[cliftonparksufan]

At 15-10, I thought it might be a good time to peruse the wins and losses and list them according to KenPom's current ranking:

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Is anyone else surprised that the second-best win is Cornell? I also found just 9 games (1-8 record) against the Top 100 to be alarming.

Why is it alarming? We know what our Quad1 and Quad 2 record is.

 

[UnderHisOwnPower]

At 15-10, I thought it might be a good time to peruse the wins and losses and list them according to KenPom's current ranking:

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Is anyone else surprised that the second-best win is Cornell? I also found just 9 games (1-8 record) against the Top 100 to be alarming.

What’s SU ?

 

[DangerZone]

What’s SU ?

#87 as of this morning.

 

[DangerZone]

Why is it alarming? We know what our Quad1 and Quad 2 record is.

It isn't the record that I am referring to but really just that only 9 of 25 games have been played against the Top 100. This is one part scheduling and timing, and one part the relative weakness of the ACC.

 

[CsonkaStash]

If we had won those close games when we collapsed and Judah turned the ball over, where would we be? Let’s say we beat UNC, Miami, Pitt and UVA. We would be 19-6. Even if we won 2 of those and were 17-8 we would be looking good. That’s why it hurts so much that we blew those

 

[orangecuse]

Why is it alarming? We know what our Quad1 and Quad 2 record is.

Well, 'if a picture paints a 1000 words'...perhaps this visual graphic may do the same for some.

 

[grepal]

If we had won those close games when we collapsed and Judah turned the ball over, where would we be? Let’s say we beat UNC, Miami, Pitt and UVA. We would be 19-6. Even if we won 2 of those and were 17-8 we would be looking good. That’s why it hurts so much that we blew those

That is the price we need to pay for having our most talented player be a freshman point guard.
Easy to live with the errors if he comes back for year two.

 

[orangecuse]

If we had won those close games when we collapsed and Judah turned the ball over, where would we be? Let’s say we beat UNC, Miami, Pitt and UVA. We would be 19-6. Even if we won 2 of those and were 17-8 we would be looking good. That’s why it hurts so much that we blew those

I wonder in the scenario you point out, would it hurt as much if we had won those alleged collapses, however, lost those two down to the wire W we squeaked out against Notre Dame, along with Louisville?

The Cardinals had a one point lead with the ball in the very late stages of that game where their guard literally fumbled the ball completely on his own at half court that led to a breakaway layup for us. Those gifted 2 points right there in crunch time gave us the 1 point margin of victory.

 

[upperdeck]

losing and winning close games come in varieties as well.. you can be up 20 and let the game end close.. but to be ahead in late games with the ball or last shot and not win those hurt.

Like the UNC game.. if the kid makes the FT we probably dont lose in regulation, or if jessie doesnt get the late charge call, or judah doesnt get a flagrant foul call, those are games ripped away

 

[FrancoPizza]

For every close loss there was a close win. 15-10 is 15-10.

 

[DoctorBombay]

For every close loss there was a close win. 15-10 is 15-10.

"You are, what your record says you are".
Bill Parcells

 

[OrangeDW]

It’s National Pizza Day, and I hope they got all the Mario and Salvos they wanted upon returning to our salty burg on the heels of their two game victorious voyage.

 

[Cusefan0307]

It’s National Pizza Day, and I hope they got all the Mario and Salvos they wanted upon returning to our salty burg on the heels of their two game victorious voyage.

Is that you Bud?

 

[OrangeDW]

Is that you Bud?

if we ever beat UNC on the road, I’m using the phrase “on the heels of our victorious voyage”, with zero shame. I posted it above with only minor shame.

 

[SWC75]

If we had won those close games when we collapsed and Judah turned the ball over, where would we be? Let’s say we beat UNC, Miami, Pitt and UVA. We would be 19-6. Even if we won 2 of those and were 17-8 we would be looking good. That’s why it hurts so much that we blew those

 

[SUFan44]

I was told Richmond would be a Q2 win this year. LOL.

 

[SWC75]

At 15-10, I thought it might be a good time to peruse the wins and losses and list them according to KenPom's current ranking:

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Is anyone else surprised that the second-best win is Cornell? I also found just 9 games (1-8 record) against the Top 100 to be alarming.

For the Heck of it I applied that system for evaluating performances I proposed a couple of weeks back to this. The idea is that all games should matter, some more than others, and strong performances against good teams in losses should count for something. There are 363 teams. You rank them from 363 at the top to 1 at the bottom and divide that by 10, rounding down. Those are the points you get for playing that team. Subtract 5 for a home game but add 5 for a true road game, (in the other team's arena). Add the point differential in the actual game and a 10 point bonus for the games you won so victory get rewarded beyond just the statis of the points. Here is a ranking of our performances:

Boston College 2 = 49 points
Georgia Tech and Florida State = 47 points
Cornell and Virginia Tech 1 = 45 points
Oakland = 44 points
Northeastern = 40 points
Georgetown and Boston College II = 39 points
Richmond = 35 points
U of Miami and Notre Dame II = 34 points
Lehigh and Virginia I = 33 points
Notre Dame II = 28 points
Virginia II = 25 points
Notre Dame II and North Carolina = 23 points
Louisville = 22 points
Monmouth = 21 points
Bryant = 13 points
Illinois = 9 points
Colgate = 7 points
Total: 741 points

OK, I wouldn't rank them quite like that, either. And I don't know how that compares to other teams trying to climb onto the bubble. But I think a system with those purposes in mind would be an improvement. It beats one where Quad 1 and 2 games matter and the rest don't.

 

[PoppyHart]

I wish we played better non-conference schedules. Next year should be nice. I’d rather lose to Purdue than St. John’s.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

I wish we played better non-conference schedules. Next year should be nice. I’d rather lose to Purdue than St. John’s.

We have some stupid schedule making. If you’re going to lose non-conference home games, they might as well be against Houston and Purdue rather than liberal arts schools

 

[Dinkyspond]

I wonder in the scenario you point out, would it hurt as much if we had won those alleged collapses, however, lost those two down to the wire W we squeaked out against Notre Dame, along with Louisville?

The Cardinals had a one point lead with the ball in the very late stages of that game where their guard literally fumbled the ball completely on his own at half court that led to a breakaway layup for us. Those gifted 2 points right there in crunch time gave us the 1 point margin of victory.

People always point out the close losses that were winnable but neglect to consider the close wins that easily could have been losses like you adeptly pointed out. A wise man named Tuna once said, "You are what your record says you are."

 

[Day2]

People always point out the close losses that were winnable but neglect to consider the close wins that easily could have been losses like you adeptly pointed out. A wise man named Tuna once said, "You are what your record says you are."

Because it’s beside the point. People bring up those losses in response to our record vs. Q1/Q2. To show that we could just as easily be 5-4 or 4-5. Everyone knows we could be even worse. We all acknowledge that. Why can’t we all acknowledge we could be even better?

 

[Dinkyspond]

Because it’s beside the point. People bring up those losses in response to our record vs. Q1/Q2. To show that we could just as easily be 5-4 or 4-5. Everyone knows we could be even worse. We all acknowledge that. Why can’t we all acknowledge we could be even better?

because we could also be worse

 

[cliftonparksufan]

We have some stupid schedule making. If you’re going to lose non-conference home games, they might as well be against Houston and Purdue rather than liberal arts schools

Sure. Crush our freshmen dreams before they even begin. JAB most likely wanted to play "easier" games that they could be competitive in. Even that backfired but better than a bunch of 30 or 40 point losses.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Sure. Crush our freshmen dreams before they even begin. JAB most likely wanted to play "easier" games that they could be competitive in. Even that backfired but better than a bunch of 30 or 40 point losses.

This isn’t 1985. The little delicate flowers who arrive on campus as true freshman have been in the spotlight since their early teen years and have played hundreds of games. They often times have amassed huge followings via social media and not likely to be disheartened by stiff competition. No, they are far more likely to be internally wrecked by other things, such as the old guy who seems to be quite inconsistent in how he treats them