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There aren't enough teams that play zone to make it the culprit for the ugliness of the college game. It's the knock-em around defenses that are the problem. Could you imagine how useless the finesse of Pistol Pete would be in today's game?
 
Steven A Smith is ESPN's Steppin Ftechitt character. What has ruined college basketball is the AAU and summer ball. There is no skill work anymore! What these kids bring are individual 1 on 1 playground ball that does not easily adapt to team basketball. Too much I and not enough we!
 
I'm not sure about a 24 second shot clock. But it makes zero sense that high schools play with a 30 second shot clock and college plays with 35.

Getting it down to 30 would seem to make sense.

The biggest problem runs much deeper than that. The way the game is played and refereed makes zero sense. A foul is a foul. It doesn't matter how many fouls the player has or the team has or how much time on the clock. A foul is a foul. Call the fouls by the rules of the game consistently. Problem solved.

If the Pittsburgh's of the country have to finish some games playing 2 on 5 for awhile, oh well. Stop fouling. I'm sure they'll learn how to play/coach the game within the rules of basketball eventually.
College game was better with a longer shot clock...it's not just the clock it's the contact...and best players leaving early...
 
The surefire way to make college basketball a better game to watch is to make sure NO freshmen are eligible to play their first year.

Oh, sorry, for a second there I thought I was the Big 10 and, by extension, a raging moron.

The shot clock makes no sense to me, though. College men's basketball has a longer shot clock than any other level that has a shot clock - including women's college hoops, which is 30. Why the hell do the women have 5 fewer seconds than the men?

Make it either 24 or 30 for the men, I don't care which. But it has to change.
 
CuseinNYC said:
That's so funny because it misses the whole point of what the problems are. If the fundamentals are weak, what is a 24 second shot clock going to improve?

The 3 point shot has made college hoops unwatchable IMHO. At this point, the whole game is centered around hucking up a 3-ball and hoping it goes in.

If you want kids to be forced back to fundamentals, get rid of the 3-ball in college (or make it 25 feet back). This will force teams to develop meaningful 2 point offense.

The fundamentals aren't weak. It's just impossible to play fundamentally sound basketball when the referees allow the muggings that pass for modern defense.
 
I don't think that's true.
You're wrong and they admit it that it's a huge problem. The league has become very immature and because so m any guys are coming out young, teams are forced to take chances on undeveloped guys. Just a bad situation. The league wanted it changed to 2 years out of HS instead of one. NBAPA said no way.
 
The fundamentals aren't weak. It's just impossible to play fundamentally sound basketball when the referees allow the muggings that pass for modern defense.

Actually if you watch the best defensive teams in the country (UVA, KY, Arizona) they do little to no hand checking and commit far fewer fouls than the teams that play awful defense.
 
You're wrong and they admit it that it's a huge problem. The league has become very immature and because so m any guys are coming out young, teams are forced to take chances on undeveloped guys. Just a bad situation. The league wanted it changed to 2 years out of HS instead of one. NBAPA said no way.
Teams aren't forced to take chances. They choose to take chances. They want a two year rule to reduce risk.

The NBA right now is operating in as smart a fashion as it ever has. That's not immaturity. Young guys aren't playing and contributing as much right away on large part because they're playing a game that relies more on execution and assignment than back in the day when raw talent and athleticism was enough for a team to run a bunch of iso. The NBA right now is happy to develop its own talent and let the young guys learn. Wanting another year to evaluate isn't indicative that the NBA has a youth problem, it indicates that the league is just smarter.
 
stop timing games and eliminate the clock altogether. It's halftime as soon as one team gets to 35 and the game is over as soon as one team gets to 70. that'll end stall ball, fouling at the end of games, overtimes, etc. it puts a premium on scoring and not on managing the game.
 
Four simple changes that will benefit college basketball

1) 24 second shot clock. Yes, 24. Yeah, the players are less skilled but screw it, 24 seconds is all you need and you can get a good look in 24 seconds.

2) NBA 3 pt line. Not because players make too many (they don't) but because the court needs more space.

3) NBA sized lane. Again, because the court needs more space

4) And finally, outlawing zone is dumb. The NBA found that out. However, the NCAA should adopt the defensive 3 seconds rule. Which, yes, would destroy the 2-3 zone as we know it. But it needs to happen because too many teams run a modified pack line and pack men in the paint daring players to take jumpers.
 
4) And finally, outlawing zone is dumb. The NBA found that out. However, the NCAA should adopt the defensive 3 seconds rule. Which, yes, would destroy the 2-3 zone as we know it. But it needs to happen because too many teams run a modified pack line and pack men in the paint daring players to take jumpers.

Yeah I was going to ask that. Did SAS mean eliminate zone or more so eliminate defensive players standing in the paint all day?
 
Just fix the officiating: no contact allowed.

A shorter shot clock would be a bonus.
Was thinking about that yesterday. Phantom fouls everywhere. Officials anticapating fouls, great blocks negated by a foul call and of course the crazy charge block calls. In my humble op, they should all be a charge, or all be a block. Take it out of the officials hands. Make the players and coaches adjust. I have no problem with the shot clock or zone
Its the terrible officiating that makes me turn off the tv. Im talking all cbb games not just orange games.
 
Actually if you watch the best defensive teams in the country (UVA, KY, Arizona) they do little to no hand checking and commit far fewer fouls than the teams that play awful defense.

I realize that basketball took a hiatus at the University of Virginia from 1982 to 2013, but perhaps if you went back and watched some YouTube video of games played even in the early part of this century you'll see that even your Cavaliers participate in the hack fest that is ruining the sport that we love. And by "we" I mean syracuse fans because we've been fortunate to watch a program compete at the highest levels of basketball for the last 40+ years. I realize this is all new and shiny for you so I'll forgive your ignorance in thinking that any team plays good fundamental defense.
 
Considering there's no real need for him to play that character to be successful and considering I think he truly believes that LeBron is infallible, I think the criticism is valid. He comes across very arrogant and dismissive, which is off putting, and I don't usually find his analysis overly insightful or accurate. I know he was playing a character to an extent on First Take, but he and Skip eventually jumped the shark. I haven't seen anything from either of them that would restore whatever level of confidence I had in their journalistic or analytical abilities.

These are obviously just my opinions, but I see little in him that is redeemable. Perhaps he is well connected and breaks stories nobody else could, but his credibility is suspect, IMO.
Guys might be connected but the A in Stephen stands for A hole
 
I'm not sure about a 24 second shot clock. But it makes zero sense that high schools play with a 30 second shot clock and college plays with 35.

Getting it down to 30 would seem to make sense.

The biggest problem runs much deeper than that. The way the game is played and refereed makes zero sense. A foul is a foul. It doesn't matter how many fouls the player has or the team has or how much time on the clock. A foul is a foul. Call the fouls by the rules of the game consistently. Problem solved.

If the Pittsburgh's of the country have to finish some games playing 2 on 5 for awhile, oh well. Stop fouling. I'm sure they'll learn how to play/coach the game within the rules of basketball eventually.

Nobody wants to pay to watch what you're suggesting.
 
Kids leaving early has ruined college basketball. Refs have always been incompetant. In fact, when I was in college, we had only two refs per game. They got out of bounds calls wrong a lot. At least that doesn't happen anymore. The defenses were also physical back in the 80's. The Big East was a war. The games were great. The 30 second shot clock would really help us. It takes more time to break a zone than a man to man. The game is worse today because the teams aren't as good. Too many young kids. Ewing, Chris M. Derrick Coleman stayed 4 years. Those teams were powerful.

I agree to the extent that too many kids leaving early has hurt the college basketball game. The Big East back in the 80's was indeed fun, but I think it was because most of the top players were juniors and seniors, who had been around for two or three previous years.
 
Short term pain for long term gain.

A story, if I may: I was reffing in a HS tournament some 20 years ago, and the coach (a guy I learned later was from North Carolina) whose team was ahead in the game had his point guard pick up the ball and stand in the front court, while the other team was in and around the lane. After about 6-7 seconds he says to me (I was "trail") "When are you going to instruct the defense to come out and play the ball?"

"I'm not." :)

"Why not?" :confused:

"Because we have a shot clock, and it's ticking down, btw." :cool: At which point his eyes opened wide, and he called to his team to run their offense. :eek:

Later at halftime, he said to me with his best furtive glance, "I'm going to check this out." Maybe he thought I was going to relent so he could move the game back into the Late Cretaceous period where he still was? :)

I have two points to make from that. First, there are a lot of coaches who have no idea what's in the rule book because they've never really looked in one. And there are even fewer fans who have. You can easily tell by the kinds of things people say during games which camp they're in. Second, the game has evolved. Athletes are bigger, faster, stronger and smarter than they were when you or I played. Believe it. It is completely outside the realm of all things reasonable or even possible to have ten very athletic persons running around in a space as small as a basketball court with no physical contact. So to take that further, understand that contact alone does not constitute a foul. Contact creating an unfair advantage/disadvantage constitutes a foul. If one doesn't accept this, go back two sentences and begin reading again. So, advantage/disadvantage necessarily requires judgment. And since 90% of coaches and 99% of fans can't even tell me what "legal guarding position" is, I don't place a lot of credence in their ability to decide what is or isn't a foul. Because that's the first thing I see in a "foul/no call" situation.

I did a HS game this past week in which we never got to bonus in any 10 min. quarter. In fact, in the 3rd Q there was only one foul called between the two teams. How did this happen? Both teams ran hard and tried to play without creating contact, so the clock ran and the ball went through the basket, the kids enjoyed playing and the fans enjoyed watching. Both coaches and several fans came over afterward and said, "Thanks, that was the best job we've had all year." But I had a game the next night in which we were in bonus (5) with 3 minutes left in each quarter. So here's the "dirty little secret:" it wasn't only the refs who made that first game happen, it was because the players played basketball. And it wasn't the refs who made the second game happen, it was players who chose indoor rugby over basketball who did that.

I have to adjust to the many different levels of play I deal with. I cannot call the same game in jr hi as I do in a men's league or in HS/college, because they play differently. I was at a clinic once in which Dave Libbey who was the head clinician (he of several final 4's) said, "Pretty much everyone here knows what they'll call. But, do you know what you won't call?" I became a better official after I understood what that meant.

Finally, players need to learn to adjust also - believe it or not. Some years ago I was reffing in a first division men's league, and one of the guys had been the leading college scorer in the country a year before. So yes, he was most certainly an elite player. His team was stubbornly fouling on every entry pass, so he called a time out. In their huddle he said loudly, "Can you figure it out? If they're -ing calling it, STOP DOING IT!" So I looked at my partner and smiled and said, "I'm not T-ing him for that." and the game improved dramatically.
 
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A story, if I may: I was reffing in a HS tournament some 20 years ago, and the coach (a guy I learned later was from North Carolina) whose team was ahead in the game had his point guard pick up the ball and stand in the front court, while the other team was in and around the lane. After about 6-7 seconds he says to me (I was "trail") "When are you going to instruct the defense to come out and play the ball?"

"I'm not." :)

"Why not?" :confused:

"Because we have a shot clock, and it's ticking down, btw." :cool: At which point his eyes opened wide, and he called to his team to run their offense. :eek:

Later at halftime, he said to me with his best furtive glance, "I'm going to check this out." Maybe he thought I was going to relent so he could move the game back into the Late Cretaceous period where he still was? :)

I have to points to make from that. First, there are a lot of coaches who have no idea what's in the rule book because they're never really looked in one. And there are even fewer fans who have. You can easily tell by the kinds of things people say during games which camp they're in. Second, the game has evolved. Athletes are bigger, faster, stronger and smarter than they were when you or I played. Believe it. It is completely outside the realm of all things reasonable or even possible to have ten very athletic persons running around in a space as small as a basketball court with no physical contact. So to take that further, understand that contact alone does not constitute a foul. Contact creating an unfair advantage/disadvantage constitutes a foul. If one doesn't accept this, go back two sentences and begin reading again. So, advantage/disadvantage necessarily requires judgment. And since 90% of coaches and 99% of fans can't even tell me what "legal guarding position" is, I don't place a lot of credence in their ability to decide what is or isn't a foul. Because that's the first thing I see in a "foul/no call" situation.

I did a HS game this past week in which we never got to bonus in any 10 min. quarter.In fact, in the 3rd Q there was only one foul called between the two teams. How did this happen? Both teams ran hard and tried to play without creating contact, so the clock ran and the ball went through the basket, the kids enjoyed playing and the fans enjoyed watching. Both coaches and several fans came over afterward and said, "Thanks, that was the best job we've had all year." But I had a game the next night in which we were in bonus (5) with 3 minutes left in each quarter. So here's the "dirty little secret:" it wasn't only the refs who made that first game happen, it was because the players played basketball. And it wasn't the refs who made the second game happen, it was players who chose indoor rugby over basketball who did that.

I have to adjust to the many different levels of play I deal with. I cannot call the same game in jr hi as I do in a men's league or in HS/college, because they play differently. I was at a clinic once in which Dave Libbey was the head clinician (he of several final 4's) said, "Pretty much everyone here knows what they'll call. But, do you know what you won't call?" I became a better official after I understood what that meant.

Finally, players need to learn to adjust also - believe it or not. Some years ago I was reffing in a first division men's league, and one of the guys had been the leading college scorer in the country a year before. So yes, he was most certainly an elite player. His team was stubbornly fouling on every entry pass, so he called a time out. In their huddle he said, "Can you figure it out? If they're -ing calling it, STOP DOING IT!" So I looked at my partner and smiled and said, "I'm not T-ing him for that." and the game improved dramatically.
We don't disagree. Players need to adjust, and coaches need to adjust. What I'm saying is that the officials aren't giving them anything to adjust to. Way too much physicality is allowed. Last season when they tried to improve that coaches freaked out and the officials gave up on it. That was critical. They needed to stick with it.

I realize the rule books are different between the NBA and college, and obviously there are different skill levels, but when you watch how the NBA is reffed and compare it to college it's clear that the college game holds its players to a much lower standard of technique than the NBA. I also think this is why you see some rookies struggle to get minutes. They know how to push and body up, but the college game has rewarded them for contact instead of playing real defense.
 
I think the referee complains would be more credible if they weren't 90% one sided.
 
Watched our game and a few minutes of other games yesterday and now I'm watching Houston/Cleveland. My goodness, it's absurd how much better the NBA is. Unless you're watching a team that's tanking, the NBA is ridiculous right now.
 
To me the guys that are hurting college ball are guys like JDixon and Buzz (even tho theres much i like about Buzz) ; BStevens was the same way. They have their players just assault guys like Rak. I remember literally Buzz would have his kids try to cave in Keitas knees from behind. This crap would never fly in the nba because you cant touch someones superstars. My guess is Brad Stevens will struggle in the nba
Those guys are just coaching to what they're allowed to do. If the rules change then they will adapt. And Stevens has almost won as many games as they won all of last season; he'll go as far as the Celtics organization allows him to go (an organization with 1 good season since the mid 80s, so he'll probably be fired in a few years).
 

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