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Message: [QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 3888978, member: 668"] So, you don't see any causation? My understanding was that even towards the later stages of the P era, our facilities were somewhat lacking/had fallen behind the eight ball so to speak. And, that fact clearly played a role in some quality recruits going elsewhere and the ensuing decline. The lack of foresight, leadership, etc. by the powers that be, IMO, was indeed a contributing factor to the stagnant program SU evolved into. Could anyone blame anyone other than the one's that were in charge for there being "a lack of donors" after the administration allowed the program to get to the state it was in at the time of Marrone's pleading? The failure/lack of proactive leadership vs. reactive by the past administration(s) still rears its effects today. [/QUOTE]