Still have no idea how good this team is...

[SUFan44]

But this was a really good bounce back win on the road.

Really looking forward to trying to get above .500 next week against a Georgia Tech team that SU seems like they could match up well against.

 

[anomander]

I think were starting to get a pretty good idea.

Give us a team that doesn't have a dual threat qb and our defense is going to give you a pretty good game.

Our DL is pretty damn good. Running teams are a good match up for us, spread teams not so much

Offensively we are turning into a pretty good running team.

I think were right where most thought would be, right around a 6 or 7 win team.

 

[NineOneSeven]

We can run, we can't pass. We can defend the run effectively and pressure the qb, but give up too many big plays to opposing receivers with a competent Qb.

Is this a good team? Eh. We are average.

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.

 

[44cuse]

What I saw was two teams with relatively the same level of athlete and coaching. Made for a great and fun and watchable game.

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[Timonen]

What I saw was two teams with relatively the same level of athlete and coaching. Made for a great and fun and watchable game.

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That's an interesting take. I agree on the "same level" but disagree on the fun. I was really frustrated with out ability to execute on offense for a lot of the game...and kept saying "we're not that good but, damn, nc state stinks and I would HATE their coaching if I was a fan of theirs. All that formation stuff for almost literally nothing! I would be stabbing my eyes out if that was for my team. I can't imagine we'll play a team as clueless the rest of the year.

 

[NineOneSeven]

What I saw was two teams with relatively the same level of athlete and coaching. Made for a great and fun and watchable game.

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Usually agree with a lot of your posts 44, but I'll have to strongly disagree here. What I always say is- if a neutral fan turned this game on, would they leave it on? I think we can agree the answer was no for this game-- don't think it was fun to watch it all.

But, a w is a w!

 

[LennX6]

That's an interesting take. I agree on the "same level" but disagree on the fun. I was really frustrated with out ability to execute on offense for a lot of the game...and kept saying "we're not that good but, damn, nc state stinks and I would HATE their coaching if I was a fan of theirs. All that formation stuff for almost literally nothing! I would be stabbing my eyes out if that was for my team. I can't imagine we'll play a team as clueless the rest of the year.

Actually I believe the rest of the schedule except for Fla St (I may have to rethink a bit on BC but they actually blew the game on a clueless play) is chock full with teams that can be a clueless as NC St.
This season is starting to feel a bit like a couple BE seasons of the pasts where we get waxed real good early on and we get the "despair" creeping in, then a couple of wins against mediocrity and *voila* we are a win away from a bowl game. We are not great by any stretch, good may take a lot of convincing , but we have enough to have a half-way decent season.
One thing I have learned is that Hunt cannot pass. Period. Now it becomes clear why he did not win the job in preseason, kinda. But damned he sure can lead a running attack.

 

[longislandcuse]

We have a really good running game and a really good Front 7 on defense. Other than that we're average to below average. However, you can win games in college and make a bowl game with the 2 strengths we have.

 

[SoBristol]

Difficult to say how good we are. That game was even through 3 quarters. Our really good running game consisted of a handful of long runs. We won the line of scrimmage, but not consistently enough to string together third down conversions in the first 3 quarters.

NCState's quarterbacking was well below par, missing receivers who had some separation. Still, it looked like Whigham, Morgan & Kelly played well -- and these guys are just getting started. Fixing the coverage issues has to be the #1 objective on the defensive side, and this game showed at least some progress.

Not a bad formula. Keep the score down with a tough defense, and win ugly with running from the QB and two good tailbacks.

 

[44cuse]

That's an interesting take. I agree on the "same level" but disagree on the fun. I was really frustrated with out ability to execute on offense for a lot of the game...and kept saying "we're not that good but, damn, nc state stinks and I would HATE their coaching if I was a fan of theirs. All that formation stuff for almost literally nothing! I would be stabbing my eyes out if that was for my team. I can't imagine we'll play a team as clueless the rest of the year.

Well, let me caveat that a bit. I guess I should have said: "more fun than the last couple of weeks." There was no gaping talent disparity on the field which made for an evenly matched game. Combine that with the OL doing it's job, and that's what made it fun (for an SU fan).

The previous three games have not been fun to watch because there was such a talent disparity between the two teams.

FWIW, I was saying the exact same things as you (NC St. stinks, etc). But in a year with a young QB and a new Staff, I personally tend to focus more on us than anything else. The odds of a season with a new a Staff and new system being a good to above average season (W's and L's wise) is just pretty low IMO. Establishing the running game in the road was one if those things that looking at what WE needed to do felt positive.

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[All4SU]

Difficult to say how good we are. That game was even through 3 quarters. Our really good running game consisted of a handful of long runs. We won the line of scrimmage, but not consistently enough to string together third down conversions in the first 3 quarters.

NCState's quarterbacking was well below par, missing receivers who had some separation. Still, it looked like Whigham, Morgan & Kelly played well -- and these guys are just getting started. Fixing the coverage issues has to be the #1 objective on the defensive side, and this game showed at least some progress.

Not a bad formula. Keep the score down with a tough defense, and win ugly with running from the QB and two good tailbacks.

If you count Hunt in on the running game, which we should, our running game was much more than just a few long runs. Other teams have to gameplay for Hunt running now.

 

[longislandcuse]

Difficult to say how good we are. That game was even through 3 quarters. Our really good running game consisted of a handful of long runs. We won the line of scrimmage, but not consistently enough to string together third down conversions in the first 3 quarters.

NCState's quarterbacking was well below par, missing receivers who had some separation. Still, it looked like Whigham, Morgan & Kelly played well -- and these guys are just getting started. Fixing the coverage issues has to be the #1 objective on the defensive side, and this game showed at least some progress.

Not a bad formula. Keep the score down with a tough defense, and win ugly with running from the QB and two good tailbacks.

That's the silver lining for the secondary. We have some good young players and most of the big plays they've given up are communication/blown coverage issues. As far as the running game goes, that's how you get a good running game, by breaking long runs. Look at AP, he can have 20 carries for 2yards and a cloud of dust but breaks a couple 15 yarders and a 50 yarders and there's your 150 yards rushing with a couple TDs.

 

[cjmurray34]

Just happy to have the opportunity to be in some games and compete. I think when you lose Nassib, Lemon and expect to compete in the passing game the same is obviously not the case. I am concerned if teams start stacking the box on what we will do.

However this made me laugh

 

[SoBristol]

That's the silver lining for the secondary. We have some good young players and most of the big plays they've given up are communication/blown coverage issues. As far as the running game goes, that's how you get a good running game, by breaking long runs. Look at AP, he can have 20 carries for 2yards and a cloud of dust but breaks a couple 15 yarders and a 50 yarders and there's your 150 yards rushing with a couple TDs.

It is one way to get a good running game. And I agree with All4SU that you can add in Hunt's running.

But despite the 360 yards total, we were not sustaining drives in the first 3 quarters. Can blame that in part on penalties (forcing us away from running), and in part on two picks by NCState. And some is the fact that on third downs, our running did not convert.

 

[longislandcuse]

It is one way to get a good running game. And I agree with All4SU that you can add in Hunt's running.

But despite the 360 yards total, we were not sustaining drives in the first 3 quarters. Can blame that in part on penalties (forcing us away from running), and in part on two picks by NCState. And some is the fact that on third downs, our running did not convert.

Yea, on those 3rd and 2/3 it's frustrating. Right now, everyone knows we're running. No threat of a pass.

 

[44cuse]

Usually agree with a lot of your posts 44, but I'll have to strongly disagree here. What I always say is- if a neutral fan turned this game on, would they leave it on? I think we can agree the answer was no for this game-- don't think it was fun to watch it all.

But, a w is a w!

I probably should have been a bit more clear. More fun for an SU fan compared to the previous three games. Those games were one sided mismatches. At least in this game the sides were relatively equal. I don't think the two W's told us a lot about this team. But in this game, the OL did its job which was good to see.

So in that context it was fun. But if you didn't have a team interest in this game, agreed...you probably weren't watching it.

Kind if like the opposite of Mich/Penn St.

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[IHeartSUFball]

Winning is fun to me no matter how the end result happens

 

[IthacaMatt]

We can run, we can't pass. We can defend the run effectively and pressure the qb, but give up too many big plays to opposing receivers with a competent Qb.

Is this a good team? Eh. We are average.

THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.

Average is a huge improvement over terrible - especially seeing as how we are with a first year coaching staff, playing teams that we haven't played against (and game planned) before. This was a huge game. Although NC State was banged up, we hurt 'em even worse.

The next 3 are all winnable. Maryland has come back down to earth. So long as we win 2 of the next 3, I see us going to a bowl.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Usually agree with a lot of your posts 44, but I'll have to strongly disagree here. What I always say is- if a neutral fan turned this game on, would they leave it on? I think we can agree the answer was no for this game-- don't think it was fun to watch it all.

But, a w is a w!

I disagree. It was a slugfest. It wasn't one of these PlayStation college football games.

I thought it was a hell of a game, and not just because we won - although that certainly helped.

A lot of people like PlayStation football, but there are fans out there, too, who love to see a hard hitting game where players are really getting after it.

 

[NineOneSeven]

I disagree. It was a slugfest. It wasn't one of these PlayStation college football games.

I thought it was a hell of a game, and not just because we won - although that certainly helped.

A lot of people like PlayStation football, but there are fans out there, too, who love to see a hard hitting game where players are really getting after it.

It has nothing to do with play station football but everything to do with good football. Yesterday was not good football.