Strength of Schedule @ 365

[DangerZone]

As of the time of this post KenPom has the Orange at the absolute weakest Strength of Schedule, #365 of 365.

Looking at the entirety of the schedule, I just realized there are no true non-conference road games on the schedule this season, just four neutral games. I believe the last time this was the case was 2010-11.

This is problematic.

 

[tptcuse]

As of the time of this post KenPom has the Orange at the absolute weakest Strength of Schedule, #365 of 365.

Looking at the entirety of the schedule, I just realized there are no true non-conference road games on the schedule this season, just four neutral games. I believe the last time this was the case was 2010-11.

This is problematic.

I'm fine with this, as it will change next week.

 

[RedtheGOB]

As of the time of this post KenPom has the Orange at the absolute weakest Strength of Schedule, #365 of 365.

Looking at the entirety of the schedule, I just realized there are no true non-conference road games on the schedule this season, just four neutral games. I believe the last time this was the case was 2010-11.

This is problematic.

See the kenpom post. It’s really not on November 16th.

 

[Yeti]

It's not actually problematic though.

2 weeks from now it won't matter at all that we're @365 right now.

 

[sufan59]

As of the time of this post KenPom has the Orange at the absolute weakest Strength of Schedule, #365 of 365.

Looking at the entirety of the schedule, I just realized there are no true non-conference road games on the schedule this season, just four neutral games. I believe the last time this was the case was 2010-11.

This is problematic.

I could not disagree with you more on the schedule. The program for the first time in a while is winning the off the court game and hopefully it continues to translate to on the court as our strength of schedule will go way up by Thanksgiving. In the non conference between the players era and the SEC/ACC challenge, as well as conference games at NC State, at North Carolina, at Virginia, at Duke, and at Louisville. Our strength of schedule is going to be more than fine. I would be stunned if come Selection Sunday, we are the first team out and the reason they cite is that we didn't schedule and win a non conference away game.

 

[pearl31]

This is problematic.

good grief

 

[upperdeck]

As of the time of this post KenPom has the Orange at the absolute weakest Strength of Schedule, #365 of 365.

Looking at the entirety of the schedule, I just realized there are no true non-conference road games on the schedule this season, just four neutral games. I believe the last time this was the case was 2010-11.

This is problematic.

how many teams schedule many OC road games ? some do home n homes many just do nuetrals

 

[baggerbob]

I could not disagree with you more on the schedule. The program for the first time in a while is winning the off the court game and hopefully it continues to translate to on the court as our strength of schedule will go way up by Thanksgiving. In the non conference between the players era and the SEC/ACC challenge, as well as conference games at NC State, at North Carolina, at Virginia, at Duke, and at Louisville. Our strength of schedule is going to be more than fine. I would be stunned if come Selection Sunday, we are the first team out and the reason they cite is that we didn't schedule and win a non conference away game.

For some reason I just feel this is the team that breaks the ACC jinx and wins the automatic bid to the tourney.

 

[cusefan88]

Using schedule math from 10-15 years ago is outdated. NCAA has decided you can game the system by blowing out crappy teams before conference play.

Playing a tough non-conference road game is a fools errand until the program is on better footing.

 

[Sbucketball]

This is a good sign. It shows that Red, SU, and the ACC got the message and understand NET and how to make the tournament now. We’re in the part where we crush the bottom of Q4, and finally skipped the upper Q3s who could get hot and keep it close. Next up are a few Q1 opportunities for marquee wins and improve sos.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Using schedule math from 10-15 years ago is outdated. NCAA has decided you can game the system by blowing out crappy teams before conference play.

Playing a tough non-conference road game is a fools errand until the program is on better footing.

Agreed. We have our part to play in the conference too. There really can’t be weak links so early on in the ACC.

BC, Pitt getting slaughtered by WVU and GT’s debacle needing OT to beat a team they were 30 point favorites are the only real blunders to far. Most of the rest have been close losses to at least decent or just really good team.

 

[sufan59]

Using schedule math from 10-15 years ago is outdated. NCAA has decided you can game the system by blowing out crappy teams before conference play.

Playing a tough non-conference road game is a fools errand until the program is on better footing.

Bingo and I imagine if the program was on better footing you’d probably see a game at MSG against a power conference opponent and take out one of the “buy” games. It’s just not necessary and more likely to hurt than help especially with the road conference games on the schedule. Next season though, from what insiders have mentioned about Kiyan being on a two year plan, even with the players era and the SEC/ACC challenge. If all goes well we will be on better footing and I think it would be appropriate to get back to MSG for a Kiyan and at this point a Syracuse homecoming in that building.

 

[richmondcuse03]

Bingo and I imagine if the program was on better footing you’d probably see a game at MSG against a power conference opponent and take out one of the “buy” games. It’s just not necessary and more likely to hurt than help especially with the road conference games on the schedule. Next season though, from what insiders have mentioned about Kiyan being on a two year plan, even with players era and the SEC/ACC challenge. If all goes well we will be on better footing and I think it would be appropriate to get back to MSG for a Kiyan and at this point a Syracuse homecoming in that building.

Yup I’d expect exactly that. Sadly we haven’t been good enough to play St. John’s or UConn in the garden recently. Would have been embarrassing.

 

[jncuse]

In terms of practical team development, this schedule is fine. We are going to have enough tough games to test us. (houston, Kansas, "x", Tennessee) It would have been nice to have one middleweight (#100-#150) type school before jumping into Houston , a Q3 type game, but it is what it is. (for NET reasons P5 schools avoid Q3 games in OOC) I would have also liked one tougher opponent between Tennessee on the 2nd and Clemson on the 31st but its not the end of the world.

In terms of numbers, This would have been a brutal schedule under the old RPI. As evidenced by the fact that our current live RPI is #282. Then again we would not have had this schedule if the RPI was still the measuring tool.

Playing teams like this is fine under NET as long as you are beating them by at least 25 points.. above that and you start gaining ground. If you plan on beating them by 7 total points over 3 games like we did last year NET will destroy you. And last year it wasn't a choice not to blow up the score.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That's one strength of schedule for every day of the year!

Excepting leap year.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

And that #365 strength of schedule ties into my personal concern:

We have 115 rebounds collectively and our opponents have 106. That is an extraordinarily weak collection of foes to be, for all practical purposes, equal to us on the boards. We have some real opposition coming up, and we have to seriously improve in that area.

 

[sufan59]

And that #365 strength of schedule ties into my personal concern:

We have 115 rebounds collectively and our opponents have 106. That is an extraordinarily weak collection of foes to be, for all practical purposes, equal to us on the boards. We have some real opposition coming up, and we have to seriously improve in that area.

There is certainly some possessions specifically in the last two games where not getting the rebound was not good, but you can make that up with good shot selection and winning the turnover margin. I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but we won the rebounding margin a lot last season and still had the season we had. I don’t know the exact numbers of this either, but I don’t think the offensive rebounds for the other teams amounted to a lot second chance points, that could and probably will be a problem against better teams. If it is, you need to rely on good shot selection and winning the turnover margin to compensate. Team just has to play hard 40 minutes, sometimes more, and not let one mistake in a situation spiral into a series of mistakes.

 

[cusefan88]

Yup I’d expect exactly that. Sadly we haven’t been good enough to play St. John’s or UConn in the garden recently. Would have been embarrassing.

Could easily see them play next year especially if Kiyan is continues on his trajectory for next season.

 

[RedtheGOB]

And that #365 strength of schedule ties into my personal concern:

We have 115 rebounds collectively and our opponents have 106. That is an extraordinarily weak collection of foes to be, for all practical purposes, equal to us on the boards. We have some real opposition coming up, and we have to seriously improve in that area.

I get the rebounding as an effort thing but clearly they’re not lacking effort.

So it’s just positioning and technique for the bigs and our guards grabbing those garbage rebounds that airball or go long. It’s not even height cuz if it were we wouldn’t be dunking all over these other teams and blocking so many shots. Teams so far are missing a lot and I mean a ton of shots.

My take is that we’ve been defending out to practically half court sometimes even on their smaller guards with our bigs. It’s working clearly because teams are not scoring.

The trade off is that our guys gotta work that much harder to get back into position and pull the board. They can do better for sure but there isn’t some conspiracy.

 

[Orangezoo]

From what I’ve seen a lot of the rebounding numbers come from the result of the poor shots opponents are getting and you are thus getting far more long rebounds and airballs/short shots and just at a higher clip as well. This hasn’t really had any impact on the outcomes at all.

Time will tell against better competition but the rebounding figures in these blowouts are not always a good indicator of either a problem or a strength depending on where they land.