SU Explores new Medical School

[CuseLegacy]

I have been seeing more of these type of tweets out there from the university. They are definitely stepping up there game.

 

[OrangePA]

I love this good job Chancellor Syverud. Another push towards getting Syracuse back into the AAU. We need research and medical school to push us back there. This is a great cause as well.

Agreed.

Great strategy and great cause.

 

[OrangePA]

i'm not saying this is better or worse than a stadium but does anyone think they would've gotten funding for both?

To paraphrase Fat Clemenza: "Take the Medical School. Leave the Dome."

(We don't need a new stadium)

 

[rrlbees]

To paraphrase Fat Clemenza: "Take the Medical School. Leave the Dome." (We don't need a new stadium)

The medical school will go where the Dome is.

 

[Cheriehoop]

There were stories in the PS a few years ago about how the state couldn't afford to keep Upstate open any longer...it was losing too much money each year and needed to become self sufficient or it would be closed down.

What every become of that? Does SUNY Upstate still lose money? Is it possible that the state would sell it back to Syracuse for a reasonable price?

I know that Upstate has had big issues the past 10 years including highly publicized mismanagement. I know they were losing money a few years ago, I don't know what shape it's in the past 2 years or so. Downstate Medical is in horrific shape. Their audit was scary and they are losing money hand over fist. Wonder if the state is trying to ease out of the medical business and trying collaborative methods to shift at least some of the burden.

 

[retro44]

I have been seeing more of these type of tweets out there from the university. They are definitely stepping up there game.

they look like terrell's orange cheese twists...

 

[Toga]

I know that Upstate has had big issues the past 10 years including highly publicized mismanagement. I know they were losing money a few years ago, I don't know what shape it's in the past 2 years or so. Downstate Medical is in horrific shape. Their audit was scary and they are losing money hand over fist. Wonder if the state is trying to ease out of the medical business and trying collaborative methods to shift at least some of the burden.

Possibly so. There was an effort in 2013 to privatize Downstate Medical Center that was beaten back by a variety of interests. The SUNY teaching hospitals historically lost a ton of money (I believe particularly Downstate). So this idea seems to be right in Cuomo's wheelhouse of interests: SUNY schools looking for opportunities to joint venture with private enterprise - Upstate investment - political winner idea as far as vets. Can't tell me the Chancellor and the Governor are not on the same page here.

 

[OrangeHeel]

How about bigger still? Got Upstate & ESF both under the SU banner. Also get the Pitt deal & charge state residents state school tuition for an SU education but with continued private control. More attractive to higher level state students. More scholarship money to reduce cost for out if state students. Could lead to SU really be the state flagship with its CNY location. Solves long term viability if private college & allows for growth. More growth = more alums with more likely to remain in state ( since they're from NYS).

The future for the CNY area has to be education & health care leadership.

 

[HtownOrange]

As a veteran and a local (as a kid), I am very interested in this concept. Though I live 1700 miles away now, I still love my hometown and want the best for it. The focus on a niche may make it an easier "sell" to the money and power people, at least to get started. I hope this materializes.

 

[OrangePA]

The medical school will go where the Dome is.

So we can all sit together and watch lumbar fusion procedures??

 

[chakka3421]

Pushing forward on this could help SU generate a lot more research $, which would then allow the University to provide better help to those programs who need the help.

Possibly so. There was an effort in 2013 to privatize Downstate Medical Center that was beaten back by a variety of interests. The SUNY teaching hospitals historically lost a ton of money (I believe particularly Downstate). So this idea seems to be right in Cuomo's wheelhouse of interests: SUNY schools looking for opportunities to joint venture with private enterprise - Upstate investment - political winner idea as far as vets. Can't tell me the Chancellor and the Governor are not on the same page here.

Centerstate CEO (our version of chamber of commerce) has had multiple meetings with the chancellor to build into the application bid for 1 of 3 grants each of $500 million to build the infrastructure for job creation. I believe this is one of the linch pins in the bid for CNY area is the med school for vets. The Gov stated he wants upstate regions to "apply out of box thinking" in grant applications, not just replacing sewer pipes as the Mayor wants. I think there are 7 regions involved in the bid process.

If awarded, this project is closer to reality than many might think. You guys are right on more than you know!

 

[tipphill]

Honestly I think this is a terrible move.

The VA medical system is based on primary care. There is a primary care shortage across the country. Loan forgiveness is already out there for people who serve in the modern VA. The problem is overall pay. Primary care docs make a fraction of what specialists (especially surgical specialists) make. People do not go into primary care because of this pay issue (and the fact that sometimes they are saddled with 250,000 in debt which takes forever to pay off on a VA salary). So you can either increase the pay via reimbursement (gets into a huge problem as you could imagine as our system is currently procedure based) or incentives for these positions or increase the overall number of physicians (greater numbers by sheer volume would fill these positions at VA medical centers).

Agree that this is definitely aimed at Upstate- it's literally directly across the street and already utilizes the VA for medical student and resident training.

This current proposal seems to get some short term funds but I would question the long term stability of something like this unless there are some more global changes that would be coming. Also I do not see a reason to re-invent the wheel with 2 med schools in Syracuse. A partnership between Upstate and SU with a heavy hand toward strengthening the academic/research programs in both institutions is more appropriate in my opinion.

not a terrible move at all. i have always proposed a take over or PARTNERSHIP with suny re the med school ---i can only assume that it is not feasible and that is one reason why he is proposing an independent med school. he could also be doing this to FORCE a discussion of su/suny partnership, thus feeling out the state re: this. it is well documented that upstate medical has had grave issues that no doubt effect the med school. i think one is needed at syracuse to move su into a new era of growth. the goal of any organization is to survive and grow. if the money is there to start the endeavor ---then do it. in long run it will be immensely huge for the university . your comments re specialists vs primary is right on, but not every md becomes a board certified specialist. i would be looking at this as a great opportunity for a jumping off point rather than a negative. please review the list of meds schools that have primary care --it is impressive.note many meds schools are ranked in both research and primary care. i also believe the focus on the va and prosthetic development research will be just the beginning.

 

[Ottoble]

http://archives.syr.edu/collections/schools/sua_medicine.htm#d0e137
http://www.upstate.edu/com/about/history.php

History of the SUNY Upstate Medical University, Formerly the Syracuse University College of Medicine. SU had one of the oldest medical schools in the country and one of the few Medical Colleges considered highly respected in the early 1900s. The programs and systems developed by Dean Weiskotten were used as one of the models for much of the grading and training procedures that modernized the education of medical professionals in this country during the course of the 20th century. In 1947 SUCM was tapped with Grants for early research into the study of Cancer.

Sold to SUNY by SU in 1950. I believe this one of our biggest mistakes as a university, though our hand may have been forced by Governor Dewey tapping Syracuse as the location for Upstate prior to the sale, and threatening the viability of SUCM as a private school considering the prospect battling a state funded opponent across the street.

I expected upstate might get fired up over this, and I'll bet SU was pretty fired up for the same reason about 66 years ago when the state decided it was going to open up a medical school in Syracuse even through there was already one at SU. http://www.syracuse.com/health/inde...ugh_room_in_town_for_two_medical_schools.html

A Veterans Care Medical School addresses a need in this country and is an interesting idea. I do wonder if this school is a long term 80 year need in this country, given our current growth in drone warfare and avoidance of boots on the ground war, though unfortunately I expect history will continue to repeat itself and the need will remain.

I agree with Tipphill I've long believed SU should try to create a solid "one university" style partnership with Upstate and ESF since they are already so close by and have a current ongoing partnerships (ESF class exchanges as we all know & SUNY/SU Masters in Public Health Degree in Maxwell).

Beyond this I've thought consideration into running SU similar to a Land Grant style private university similar to how Cornell is run, where some schools in the university are "State" and others "Private" but all receive a Syracuse University Diploma, is warranted for several reasons. These reasons include, improving academic quality and offerings, having resources to stay on the cutting edge of medical and green engineering, combined efforts in competing for greater research dollars and better professors, expanding enrollment of high quality students, expanding the alumni base, consolidating services, as well as controlling administration, facilities and tuition costs.

 

[HtownOrange]

http://archives.syr.edu/collections/schools/sua_medicine.htm#d0e137
http://www.upstate.edu/com/about/history.php


A Veterans Care Medical School addresses a need in this country and is an interesting idea. I do wonder if this school is a long term 80 year need in this country, given our current growth in drone warfare and avoidance of boots on the ground war, though unfortunately I expect history will continue to repeat itself and the need will remain.

Unfortunately, boots on the ground will always be a necessity. Drones are nice, they can observe and even carry some munitions, but if you want to control territory or strategic points, someone on the ground will be required to maintain control. That said, the need for Veteran specific medical care will go on, so long as man is running the planet. One nice benefit of Veteran care is that some of it will roll over to other segments of society.

 

[OrangePA]

There were stories in the PS a few years ago about how the state couldn't afford to keep Upstate open any longer...it was losing too much money each year and needed to become self sufficient or it would be closed down.

What every become of that? Does SUNY Upstate still lose money? Is it possible that the state would sell it back to Syracuse for a reasonable price?

I would love to see Syracuse University take Upstate Medical.

That would move the University forward in many ways.

I suspect it is just not feasible, but in theory I like the idea a lot.

 

[OrangePA]

http://archives.syr.edu/collections/schools/sua_medicine.htm#d0e137
http://www.upstate.edu/com/about/history.php

History of the SUNY Upstate Medical University, Formerly the Syracuse University College of Medicine. SU had one of the oldest medical schools in the country and one of the few Medical Colleges considered highly respected in the early 1900s. The programs and systems developed by Dean Weiskotten were used as one of the models for much of the grading and training procedures that modernized the education of medical professionals in this country during the course of the 20th century. In 1947 SUCM was tapped with Grants for early research into the study of Cancer.

Sold to SUNY by SU in 1950. I believe this one of our biggest mistakes as a university, though our hand may have been forced by Governor Dewey tapping Syracuse as the location for Upstate prior to the sale, and threatening the viability of SUCM as a private school considering the prospect battling a state funded opponent across the street.

I expected upstate might get fired up over this, and I'll bet SU was pretty fired up for the same reason about 66 years ago when the state decided it was going to open up a medical school in Syracuse even through there was already one at SU. http://www.syracuse.com/health/inde...ugh_room_in_town_for_two_medical_schools.html

A Veterans Care Medical School addresses a need in this country and is an interesting idea. I do wonder if this school is a long term 80 year need in this country, given our current growth in drone warfare and avoidance of boots on the ground war, though unfortunately I expect history will continue to repeat itself and the need will remain.

I agree with Tipphill I've long believed SU should try to create a solid "one university" style partnership with Upstate and ESF since they are already so close by and have a current ongoing partnerships (ESF class exchanges as we all know & SUNY/SU Masters in Public Health Degree in Maxwell).

Beyond this I've thought consideration into running SU similar to a Land Grant style private university similar to how Cornell is run, where some schools in the university are "State" and others "Private" but all receive a Syracuse University Diploma, is warranted for several reasons. These reasons include, improving academic quality and offerings, having resources to stay on the cutting edge of medical and green engineering, combined efforts in competing for greater research dollars and better professors, expanding enrollment of high quality students, expanding the alumni base, consolidating services, as well as controlling administration, facilities and tuition costs.

Excellent post.

 

[tipphill]

ottable :that says it,concisely,clearly and everything i wanted to say,but better said

 

[OrangeJohn]

So happy to hear this! I love the leadership on display. We need a medical school to help us regain membership in that association of research universities and I'm glad we are taking that loss seriously and acting quickly to remedy the situation.

 

[Ottoble]

Unfortunately, boots on the ground will always be a necessity. Drones are nice, they can observe and even carry some munitions, but if you want to control territory or strategic points, someone on the ground will be required to maintain control. That said, the need for Veteran specific medical care will go on, so long as man is running the planet. One nice benefit of Veteran care is that some of it will roll over to other segments of society.

Agreed, more of a dream for the end of war and its casualties, and a query about staffing at VA hospitals... will there always be a staff shortage that the post grad requirement works long term. Perhaps though if we develop specialists this school could be a go to for highly qualified doctors for this type of TBE, PTS, prosthesis, and extreme trauma treatment rolling over to other parts of society as you noted.

Thank you for serving and putting yourself on the line for the rest of us.