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Message: [QUOTE="orangecuse, post: 3909987, member: 668"] In my opinion, there are layers to this issue regarding SU's culture relative to football. Several have been touched upon, and perhaps the consistent losing for so long is the most significant? One thing I didn't see mentioned is Syracuse being a private school vs. Clemson and so many other similar type state schools. Many of these other P5 football schools possessing such superior cultures are schools that are the state's [I]flagship[/I] or the like, therefore, there's this huge state pride thing going on and following that Syracuse simply doesn't have. Uniquely enough, Syracuse University bears the the name of the city it resides in, so it does/did bring in many of the townies, but it's not the same. Whether that's in part the university's fault to some degree due to its seemingly condescension and somewhat detachment from the surrounding community, etc., I don't know. Perhaps, the city/county as well have culpability here. However, even when we were good in the 90's as mentioned, pulling in an average of 40K for home games isn't really that impressive, especially when considering (back then) the population of the metropolitan area of Syracuse, its suburbs, etc. At the time, IMO, there was enough population to easily double that had the stadium held such capacity. I am/was a townie and grew up in Liverpool in my my youth. Due to cost, etc. I went to a SUNY school, Buffalo, in the early to mid 80's. I recall when I was at Buffalo my junior/senior year, SU played Canisius at the Buffalo Auditorium. I went to the game with some suite-mates, all whom were from the state, but not Central NY. They, along with a lot of others that day, did not cheer for SU. And, a large percentage of the crowd booed JB like there was no tomorrow. I realize this example is hoops not football, however, my point is, many sections of the state (if not most) couldn't care a less about SU or its sports. It was like the state is/was divided into partitions, and once you were west of Rochester or east of Utica, SU might as well have been Georgetown. At least that's what I recall when I lived up there. Living in the Charlotte, NC area since 1994, I don't know what it's like today. But, I would bet much of the same, not to mention the fact that a large percentage of the populus has left the Syracuse/metro area over the past few decades. Combining that with the constant losing (football) and lack of any real allegiance, the football culture being what it is, it's not that surprising. [/QUOTE]

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