SU is making a huge mistake on Duke game

[kcsu]

Syracuse has or had a chance to make history against Duke by moving the court. Two Hall of Fame coaches. Our olympic team coaches. Duke Syracuse First ACC battle. Game Day National TV and we could have set an all time record one for the ages one to never be broken MADE FING HISTORY and we Punt. Major mistake.

 

[orange79]

Not quite sure anyone cares about that kind of history. And it's not a major mistake. If it's any kind of mistake, it's a very minor one. Years from now, who will remember this?

 

[kcsu]

Not quite sure anyone cares about that kind of history. And it's not a major mistake. If it's any kind of mistake, it's a very minor one. Years from now, who will remember this?

not a person because it will be just another game vs a chance to set an all time record

 

[orange79]

not a person because it will be just another game vs a chance to set an all time record

It may set an all-time record anyway. To go through the expense of turning the court and taking away the home court advantage for the sake of getting a few more people in and setting a record (which we already hold) doesn't make it worth it, IMO. We disagree, I get it. Let it go.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Don't we already have the all time record?

Unless another school is building a 36,000 seat arena that nobody knows about, SU will continue to hold the all time record for years to come.

And since there are still two Hall of Fame and Olympic coaches involved, aren't we still making history?

 

[TrickySU]

Not a mistake whatsoever. The correct decision was made. 6:30 game leading into the Heat vs. Knicks game, and on Super Bowl weekend. It would've definitely been overshadowed. Plus, there's more people that would be upset by it than happy. We'll still break the record, and now we can save it for another time.

 

[JohnCuse44]

Can't we be done talking about this?

<returns to football board to continue arguing wether or not to bring back #44>

 

[upperdeck]

it would not have been over shadowed.. you had 100k worth of people who wanted to attend the game. 10K worth of people who complained because some of them would get worse seats.

now you have the same demand and 15K are going to still get the crappy seats and 75K will not even have the choice to attend..

 

[pfister1]

not a person because it will be just another game vs a chance to set an all time record

But it won't be just another game, with the exception of the size of the crowd all those things you recited are still true about the game....and, by the way it can still set the record...it just won't be as large a crowd as if the court were turned.

Syracuse has been setting and breaking the All Time on Campus record crowd for years and years. Each time we do it, there is a significant amount of excitement and fanfare that surrounds that particular game.

What we are really talking about is a marketing gimmick. SUAD uses it to create interest and excitement surrounding the particular game. The basketball program uses it as a recruiting tool. Why wouldn't you want to keep breaking the record in measured increments and continue to have that trick in your arsenal. When you can no longer break the record with the court positioned the way it is, then consider moving the court...but why give up on all of the record crowds between 35,012 and whatever number would be achieved by placing the court at the 50.

If they don't turn the court, I would expect the athletic department to try to bill the Duke game as time to reset the all time record crowd and do it in a game that we win, sell 35, 144 tickets and then have the opportunity to break it again the next time that UNC or DUKE visits the Dome.

In some ways that is a better selling strategy to a recruit then the other way. The recruit who comes to the game or watches it on TV and is influenced by the excitement knows that this happens with regularity and he can potentially be a part of the game that resets the record. If turning the court is a one time thing (because it is too difficult to do it or too expensive to justify the switch) or reaches a true capacity mark then this trick is gone from the arsenal.

I don't think its a bad thing at all to keep going the way we have been.

 

[cusefan88]

Smarter heads prevailed. The logistics, cost, etc showed it wasn't the right move. They considered it strongly and after research said no. SU did exactly the right thing. Nothing to complain about at all.

 

[pfister1]

it would not have been over shadowed.. you had 100k worth of people who wanted to attend the game. 10K worth of people who complained because some of them would get worse seats.

Where have those 100k people been hiding, they haven't been lining up to buy tickets to games?

 

[Full_Rebar]

It's not a mistake because it wouldn't have been done the right way. From the season tickets to the logistics involved, it was going to be less than 100%, so it is better for SU to wait and get it right.

Saying 100K wanted to attend is ridiculous. Saying that SU needed this makes no sense. The Dome will be packed, a new record will be broken, and it will get the same attention on SB weekend that a court move would have received. At this point, packing the Dome and beating Duke makes the game a success. I want the Cuse fans (the loyal been with the program for a long time people) to be right on top of Duke. I want the ACC to see what 35,000 screaming fans sounds like, and I want the Clemson and FSU folks who talk about their intimidating football environments to see what the folks in the Cuse can do to make opposing teams want to wet their Pro Combat underwear.

 

[upperdeck]

the dome has 15K worth of decent bball tickets. we sell 15K more for big games because we have a great following. but I dont drive 20 times a year to sit in those bad seats i do it a couple times like most .. who do you think makes up the extra 10K for big game attendance? its not the same 10K every time.

there is a reason when games start to sell big that we get close to max because people want to be there even with the crappy seats and people want to say they were at the biggest one..

a one time court move would have sold out the dome and while the people with season tickets would have gotten some what worse seats, 20K of people who have better seats than the last 5-10K get now

 

[Full_Rebar]

The Dome has closer to 25k worth of "decent" basketball seats. Not sure how you figure a court at midfield with no temp bleachers means better seating for fans.

 

[Upstate]

I'd rather do this for GTown than Duke, the first time we play them OOC

 

[TrickySU]

it would not have been over shadowed.. you had 100k worth of people who wanted to attend the game. 10K worth of people who complained because some of them would get worse seats.

now you have the same demand and 15K are going to still get the crappy seats and 75K will not even have the choice to attend..

100k? You would have a tough time filling the dome, especially with the timing of the game during Superbowl weekend. As pfister1 said, there's nowhere close to 100k lining up.

 

[upperdeck]

what does super bowl weekend have to do with people going to an su game the day before? I dont live near the city and everyone is talking about wishing they would move the court and wanting to go to the game and these are not real SU fans just casual basketball fans.

you are only talking of a jump from 35k to 50K and so many people dont go for the big dome games because of the seating. these seats will be way better and bigger hyped.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

a one time court move would have sold out the dome and while the people with season tickets would have gotten some what worse seats, 20K of people who have better seats than the last 5-10K get now

So, you want to relocate your best 15,000 season ticket holders & boosters to worse seats just to benefit the people who may attend one game a year.

When ACC Tournament Tickets go on sale, do you plan on giving the highest priority to these "one timers", and putting all your $5000+ annual donors at the bottom of the list?

 

[HoustonCuse]

They looked at it very hard and made the decision not to do it. I think it would be cool to do it, but you can't ask for more than what they did. They didn't just dismiss it out of hand. My hope is they can figure out a way to get 36,000 seats available for that game. That would put the record past another milestone and it will still be an amazing environment and a spectacle on Game Day. The big thing here - is I really really want them to get this win!!

 

[upperdeck]

of the 15K how many will actually get worse seats? you are really going to only effect about 5K . and not all 15K actually are giving 5K.

you have it backwards. why should we reward 15K people with the best seats every year than an avg fan can never hope to see and never reward the 500K that live in syracuse and hope to one time experience and event like this?

its not like the old time season ticket holders get punished with a one time seat move. they still get to sit in a seat many would kill for 20x a year. What you are doing this is rewarding the 20K that fill the upper reaches and sit in crappy seats year after year for big games with a game that may never happen again.

we will get 35K a few times a year. we probably only flip the dome 1-2x ever..

and I am not tied on it being Duke thats just the obvious choice.. if you want it to be g-town the next time they come that fine. but they should plan it and announce it and do it right. market it properly and dont oversell on the price.. reward the fans dont try to kill for the money.

take it out of the season package.. give the donors fist dibs on the best seats and have at it.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Let me know when Wimbledon moves the Men's and Women's Finals to Wembley Stadium so they can sell 90,000 tickets and make it an "event".

After all, who cares if the people who pay the big money for Centre Court tickets can actually see the court.

 

[DoctorBombay]

 

[dasher]

of the 15K how many will actually get worse seats? you are really going to only effect about 5K . and not all 15K actually are giving 5K.

you have it backwards. why should we reward 15K people with the best seats every year than an avg fan can never hope to see and never reward the 500K that live in syracuse and hope to one time experience and event like this?

its not like the old time season ticket holders get punished with a one time seat move. they still get to sit in a seat many would kill for 20x a year. What you are doing this is rewarding the 20K that fill the upper reaches and sit in crappy seats year after year for big games with a game that may never happen again.

we will get 35K a few times a year. we probably only flip the dome 1-2x ever..

and I am not tied on it being Duke thats just the obvious choice.. if you want it to be g-town the next time they come that fine. but they should plan it and announce it and do it right. market it properly and dont oversell on the price.. reward the fans dont try to kill for the money.

take it out of the season package.. give the donors fist dibs on the best seats and have at it.

we should reward those people because they paid for those seats.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

of the 15K how many will actually get worse seats? you are really going to only effect about 5K . and not all 15K actually are giving 5K.

All of them:

 

[TrickySU]

what does super bowl weekend have to do with people going to an su game the day before? I dont live near the city and everyone is talking about wishing they would move the court and wanting to go to the game and these are not real SU fans just casual basketball fans.

you are only talking of a jump from 35k to 50K and so many people dont go for the big dome games because of the seating. these seats will be way better and bigger hyped.

The main problem with it being Super Bowl weekend is the fact that after Saturday night, the headlines won't be about the court being moved, they will be about the Super Bowl. If people don't go to games because of seating, how will putting them in the upper corner of the dome help?