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Message: [QUOTE="jncuse, post: 4996240, member: 1969"] Regarding 4th place teams in major conferences missing the tournament, and with teams below them in league standings getting in --[I] it's not that uncommon -- especially if your league is "struggling" 0r "modest" with 40% or less teams getting in and the schedule is unbalanced. The 2024 ACC fits into that criteria of a struggling/modest performance league with an unbalanced schedule, so can't assume our league standing does anything for us optically. [/I]The fact is league standings really don't come into play in selection, not a selection consideration. It often works out in good leagues because those teams are the ones that have the best resumes. 1. The 4th place team in the SEC (Vandy), ACC (Clemson), and Pac-10 (Oregon) all missed the tournament last year, with teams lower in the standings 2. Looking back to 2010 its not uncommon for PAC-12 teams and SEC teams in, 3rd, or 4th (or even second)to miss the tournament with a team below them getting in Those leagues had some very dark years (thing of the past for the SEC now). A stunning one was USC missing the tournament one year with a 12-6 record and Arizona St getting in at 8-10 in the Pac-12. 3. In 2016, Louisville was 12-6 in the ACC and in 4th place. 4 teams below them in the standings made it in. Louisville 2016 and Clemson 2023 remain the only 2 ACC teams in 4th or higher that missed the tournament going back to expansion. From 2010 to 2013 in almost every year there was a team tied for 4th that missed... but nobody in the standings got in below them either. 4. The Big 12, Big East seem fairly exempt from all this. Generally since 2010 the Big 12 has been a 50% bid league with a balanced schedule so it makes sense. The Big East shares those same characteristics. The Big 10 has never had an exception either, but other than 2018, they always tend to be around a 50% bid league as well. 2018 was a really bad year for them and a 13-5 Nebraska team that was tied for 4th missed the tournament. Nobody below them in the league got in either, and the B10 only had 4 teams in -- an anomaly for them, [/QUOTE]

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