Syracuse football is starting to get its respect back in these early bowl projections

[KaiserUEO]

i say Pinstripe v michigan.

saturday 12/27 3:30

Sold Out.

 

[GoSU96]

i say Pinstripe v michigan.

saturday 12/27 3:30

Sold Out.

Who could argue with that?

 

[GoSU96]

Meh, I don't see it as a low expectation. We're getting better. I'm confident in that. We have been playing with fire though. In this run we white knuckled our way in to a bowl, which wasn't sustainable and that was proven the following year. Then the stars aligned to have an all around good team but we played a difficult schedule and it wasn't a sure thing heading in to the last three games of the season how it would turn out. Thankfully, it did. Then last year we squeaked our way in to bowl qualification, and could have easily lost our bowl game.

I'm actually really optimistic for this coming season, but our actual performance doesn't need to meet my optimistic expectation in order to feel this upcoming season will be successful. Seeing a better football product with a similar win total to last season would be progress.

This program has progressed a great deal. 6-6 would be a disappointment. When Marrone/Shafer took over they inherited a program that had the 114th offense and 101st defense the year before. The inherent capabilities of the program are orders of magnitude better.

In 2012 SU had the 17th ranked offense in the country. Last year it had the 34th ranked defense. If you can get comparable production out of both sides at the same time it should result in no less than 8 wins and the vast majority of times double digit wins.

 

[KaiserUEO]

This program has progressed a great deal. 6-6 would be a disappointment. When Marrone/Shafer took over they inherited a program that had the 114th offense and 101st defense the year before. The inherent capabilities of the program are orders of magnitude better.

In 2012 SU had the 17th ranked offense in the country. Last year it had the 34th ranked defense. If you can get comparable production out of both sides at the same time it should result in no less than 8 wins and the vast majority of times double digit wins.

talking regular season only now...6-6 would be a colossal fail. there is already 6 Ws on the schedule...nova, nsewmich, mary, bc, wake and nc st.

that would mean they lost every other single game...a total no show of a season.

youve got to win 1 and hopefully 2 games against teams you are suppossed to lose to, to be legitimate.

a clean schedule is the only Ls being to fla st, clemson, lville and nd.

beating 1 of them should make for 9-3. not sure we can go there yet.

8-4, is doable and the goal.

7-5 needs to be the floor.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This program has progressed a great deal. 6-6 would be a disappointment. When Marrone/Shafer took over they inherited a program that had the 114th offense and 101st defense the year before. The inherent capabilities of the program are orders of magnitude better.

In 2012 SU had the 17th ranked offense in the country. Last year it had the 34th ranked defense. If you can get comparable production out of both sides at the same time it should result in no less than 8 wins and the vast majority of times double digit wins.

I think that both of the following statements are true:

1. The inherent capabilities of the program are orders of magnitude better.

2. We still have a long ways to go before we are good on both sides of the ball at the same time.

 

[AZOrange]

talking regular season only now...6-6 would be a colossal fail. there is already 6 Ws on the schedule...nova, nsewmich, mary, bc, wake and nc st. that would mean they lost every other single game...a total no show of a season. youve got to win 1 and hopefully 2 games against teams you are suppossed to lose to, to be legitimate. a clean schedule is the only Ls being to fla st, clemson, lville and nd. beating 1 of them should make for 9-3. not sure we can go there yet. 8-4, is doable and the goal. 7-5 needs to be the floor.

Agreed. And how u play in the 4 losses is important. It can't be 200-0.

 

[HtownOrange]

talking regular season only now...6-6 would be a colossal fail. there is already 6 Ws on the schedule...nova, nsewmich, mary, bc, wake and nc st.

that would mean they lost every other single game...a total no show of a season.

youve got to win 1 and hopefully 2 games against teams you are suppossed to lose to, to be legitimate.

a clean schedule is the only Ls being to fla st, clemson, lville and nd.

beating 1 of them should make for 9-3. not sure we can go there yet.

8-4, is doable and the goal.

7-5 needs to be the floor.

I respectfully disagree. Louisville is quite winnable, though we will not have the sportswriters admit it. We beat Louisville last time around and they lost far more talent since then opposed to what we have lost. Further, we have gained more talent in proportion to what we had than they have gained since. Add in losing their starting QB, a few other key players and a new coach, we really should be favored.

ND is winnable. 10-2 is possible. 9-3 very possible. 8-4 should be the minimum threshold. It is time for the program to step up.

 

[anomander]

I respectfully disagree. Louisville is quite winnable, though we will not have the sportswriters admit it. We beat Louisville last time around and they lost far more talent since then opposed to what we have lost. Further, we have gained more talent in proportion to what we had than they have gained since. Add in losing their starting QB, a few other key players and a new coach, we really should be favored.

ND is winnable. 10-2 is possible. 9-3 very possible. 8-4 should be the minimum threshold. It is time for the program to step up.

I like your aggressiveness. I was going to tell Kaiser I agreed 100%, but I like your thinking that much better.

 

[GoSU96]

I respectfully disagree. Louisville is quite winnable, though we will not have the sportswriters admit it. We beat Louisville last time around and they lost far more talent since then opposed to what we have lost. Further, we have gained more talent in proportion to what we had than they have gained since. Add in losing their starting QB, a few other key players and a new coach, we really should be favored.

ND is winnable. 10-2 is possible. 9-3 very possible. 8-4 should be the minimum threshold. It is time for the program to step up.

Lville has been 23-3 over the last two years. Favored? I don't think so.

 

[Orangeyes]

Syracuse football bowl projections: Which postseason games do ESPN, CBS project for SU?

 

[TheCusian]

Lville has been 23-3 over the last two years. Favored? I don't think so.

Teddy ain't coming back.

(They'd be favored right now - but by game time?)

 

[TheCusian]

I think that both of the following statements are true: 1. The inherent capabilities of the program are orders of magnitude better. 2. We still have a long ways to go before we are good on both sides of the ball at the same time.

I don't know what your definition of good is - but I think we're much closer than what you're suggesting. Talent is there, year two of this coaching staff and Hunt? Defense should be solid.

If good is top 40 on O and D - I think it's possible. Hunt and O take the leap this year...

 

[SUalldway]

Sugar Bowl against newly-accepted Big Ten member Oklahoma.

!

We should be better as a team this year, but I would take 7-5, 8-4 type season right now. I don't mind any bowl game right now and if we get a BCS opponent its even better. 2015 with Hunt as Sr. and more experience and depth we could challenge in the Atlantic if Florida State doesn't have a Winston replacement already lined up now.

I'll be happy if we get a bowl in a warm-ish location where we play an over-hyped major conference team, i.e., a similar or upgraded bowl & opponent from last year.

 

[GoSU96]

Teddy ain't coming back.

(They'd be favored right now - but by game time?)

Bridgewater by himself doesn't explain 23-3. Unless you assume Strong was a pedestrian recruiter why is Lville going to fall back a ton.

I love Lville has a "new" coach stuff. Yep, a total unproven neophyte they got to replace Strong.

 

[TheCusian]

Bridgewater by himself doesn't explain 23-3. Unless you assume Strong was a pedestrian recruiter why is Lville going to fall back a ton. I love Lville has a "new" coach stuff. Yep, a total unproven neophyte they got to replace Strong.

Not saying they won't be good. But c'mon - how many wins of the 23 was Teddy a primary reason they won? 50%?

I don't care who you are - you lose your QB and coach - there is a good chance you hit some bumps.

 

[CuseOnly]

talking regular season only now...6-6 would be a colossal fail. there is already 6 Ws on the schedule...nova, nsewmich, mary, bc, wake and nc st.

that would mean they lost every other single game...a total no show of a season.

youve got to win 1 and hopefully 2 games against teams you are suppossed to lose to, to be legitimate.

a clean schedule is the only Ls being to fla st, clemson, lville and nd.

beating 1 of them should make for 9-3. not sure we can go there yet.

8-4, is doable and the goal.

7-5 needs to be the floor.

I disagree and think that L'Ville should be a W. Brand new QB and new coach with new systems. They are coming into a stronger league and are already being given more respect than SU with no good reason.

I don't see it especially after we have handed them their behinds the year before last. It is also in the Dome at night and it will be rockin in there.

 

[Alsacs]

Bridgewater by himself doesn't explain 23-3. Unless you assume Strong was a pedestrian recruiter why is Lville going to fall back a ton.

I love Lville has a "new" coach stuff. Yep, a total unproven neophyte they got to replace Strong.

Louisville's schedules have been a joke

In the last 2 seasons they have lost to Syracuse, UConn, UCF the last 2 losses were at home.

Beat an overrated 11-1 Florida team that had a shaky QB and couldn't careless about playing Louisville in the Sugar Bowl, North Carolina at home, Cincinnati x2, Kentucky x2, South Florida x2, Temple x2, FIU x2, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, UConn, Houston, Memphis, Southern Miss, Ohio, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, and their bowl game last year Miami

That isn't murders row the talent of Bridgewater and the defensive leader in Calvin Pryor both of whom were first round picks this past NFL draft were good enough for Louisville to beat those teams. Charlie Strong could coach, but their schedule last year was a joke for a team with the talent Louisville had and UCF went into Louisville and beat them last year.

Stop making Louisville out to be Clemson/Florida State. Louisville was added to the ACC to increase its middle class and have more respectable 9-3 teams they haven't been a national power a lot of years. We can beat Louisville at home this year and if their new QB struggles in Petrino's first year we could be favored depending on how we start the season.

 

[GoSU96]

Louisville's schedules have been a joke

In the last 2 seasons they have lost to Syracuse, UConn, UCF the last 2 losses were at home.

Beat an overrated 11-1 Florida team that had a shaky QB and couldn't careless about playing Louisville in the Sugar Bowl, North Carolina at home, Cincinnati x2, Kentucky x2, South Florida x2, Temple x2, FIU x2, Rutgers, Pittsburgh, UConn, Houston, Memphis, Southern Miss, Ohio, Eastern Kentucky, Missouri State, and their bowl game last year Miami

That isn't murders row the talent of Bridgewater and the defensive leader in Calvin Pryor both of whom were first round picks this past NFL draft were good enough for Louisville to beat those teams. Charlie Strong could coach, but their schedule last year was a joke for a team with the talent Louisville had and UCF went into Louisville and beat them last year.

Stop making Louisville out to be Clemson/Florida State. Louisville was added to the ACC to increase its middle class and have more respectable 9-3 teams they haven't been a national power a lot of years. We can beat Louisville at home this year and if their new QB struggles in Petrino's first year we could be favored depending on how we start the season.

You think losing to CFU was a bad loss last year?

Uh, okay.

And football isn't basketball, two players don't take a team to 23-3.

SU's schedule has 4 teams on it that are CLEARLY better and what I think is a hard ceiling. At the same time there aren't too many toss up games. Duke, Maryland, BC and Pitt are going to determine how the season goes.

 

[Alsacs]

You think losing to CFU was a bad loss last year?

Uh, okay.

And football isn't basketball, two players don't take a team to 23-3.

SU's schedule has 4 teams on it that are CLEARLY better and what I think is a hard ceiling. At the same time there aren't too many toss up games. Duke, Maryland, BC and Pitt are going to determine how the season goes.

Please bolden where I said in words losing to Central Florida was a bad loss. All I said was Central Florida went into Louisville and beat them last year. I will say Louisville completely gagged that game to UCF as thy were up 28-7 midway thru the 3rd quarter and lost to UCF 38-35. I never said it was a bad loss, but Louisville isn't exactly Florida State they had a special talent at QB and good defensive leader that led them to a 12-1 season last year.

Their 2012 season they beat nobody good until they played a completely disinterested Florida team in the Sugar Bowl and thankfully for the ACC's FB rep beat the Gators and because they beat an SEC team they have been given a lot of hype. Their schedule of wins is not that impressive if you actually look at the teams they beat. We can beat them at home next year and until Petrino has his talent in place we don't know how good they will be next year and whether Syracuse at home will be a slight favorite. Hell in 2012 when Louisville was undefeated and #10 they were only a 3 point favorite over us at home. We can beat them next year.

 

[Janner]

Is no one else worried at all about Hunt? I think he is capable of making the improvements necessary but I was not all that impressed with him up until the last game or two of the year and even then he did not set the world on fire. Again, I think there is potential there. His decision making and grasp of the offense improved over the course of the year as did his accuracy but those last two games (BC, Minny) could have easily been loss's as well. Im optomistic about the comming year but I could very easily see a What loss in there. I wouldnt be shocked at a 6-6 season and given the direction recruiting is headed and what they are building upon I don't think 6-6 would be all that bad. This staff can sell, period. They just need something tangible to point to, and back to back years in a bowl game (even at 6-6) with a better display of the offensive game plan will do that which for now is good enough for me. JMHO

 

[KaiserUEO]

Is no one else worried at all about Hunt? I think he is capable of making the improvements necessary but I was not all that impressed with him up until the last game or two of the year and even then he did not set the world on fire. Again, I think there is potential there. His decision making and grasp of the offense improved over the course of the year as did his accuracy but those last two games (BC, Minny) could have easily been loss's as well. Im optomistic about the comming year but I could very easily see a What loss in there. I wouldnt be shocked at a 6-6 season and given the direction recruiting is headed and what they are building upon I don't think 6-6 would be all that bad. This staff can sell, period. They just need something tangible to point to, and back to back years in a bowl game (even at 6-6) with a better display of the offensive game plan will do that which for now is good enough for me. JMHO

petrified.

 

[Trueblue25]

TH is a leader. He's mature, talented, and bold. That's all I care about as of right now. He will improve, and he has shown steady improvement.

That kid knows how to win when it's on the line.