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Message: [QUOTE="Madbiker, post: 1862946, member: 312"] In college basketball you look at the track record of the coach. JB's teams always win 20+ games. They are almost always ranked and almost always end the season ranked. You look at the returning players. In this case Lydon and Roberson did enough last year, especially in the NCAAT, to be considered significant players. Add to that a highly regarded incoming freshman (Battle) and a highly regarded transfer (White) and SU should be ranked pre-season. You can be sure that if Izzo was starting 3 women and a one-legged PG his team would still have a pre-season top 25 ranking. [/QUOTE]