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Message: [QUOTE="ACCBballFan, post: 29769, member: 1278"] Totally agree, but I would extend your thought to say Notre Dame or Penn State as the one you label "comparable". The ACC football schools would revolt if ACC 15-16 were UCONN and Rutgers. Might be okay to use as a repalcement is someone leaves but not for 15-16 until all of Notre Dame, Penn St, Missouri, Oklahoma are off the board long term. I posted this in a thread that got sidetracked on BBQ. So will cut and paste it here: [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]I thank [B][FONT=Georgia]AlbanyCuse[/FONT][/B] for the invite to join this Board, and thought I would make my first post an all inclusive intro on this thread.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]First, I thought [B]ACC adding Pitt and Cuse[/B] was a brilliant move and [B]totally caught the B1G by surprise. Very happy to have you two as 13-14[/B] but [U]I do not favor UCONN or [/U]Rutgers [U]any time soon for 15-16 for lots of reasons [/U](numbers below not necessarily in priority order just as references):[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]1. Do not want ACC to be the sole reason BE falls apart, though in Bball that helps ACC cause (also B1G's) with Notre Dame not remaining independent forever.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]2. [B]Holding out hope that long term[/B] and when you see the teams you will agree it is[B] not possible in short term that ACC can add one or both of Penn State and Notre Dame for 15-16[/B].[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]3. B1G would have loved to have added Pitt from BE (back in hte day) and Maryland from ACC to appease Penn State whose nearest B1G school Ohio State is much further away (5.75 hours) than in this order: Pitt (2.67 hours), MD (3.85) , (Rutgers 4.1), Syracuse (4.48) and UVA (5.08 hours).[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]B1G adding Pitt and MD would have better positioned them to retain PSU and eventually add Notre Dame and Cuse (or Rutgers).[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]4. [B]No longer any rush for ACC to get to 16[/B] since SEC only has 13, P12 and B1G now content at 12, B12 only has 9 and BE only has 7.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]5. ACC football "powers" as much as anybody can be viewed as a football power in ACC or BE [U]want football schools better than UCONN or [/U]Rutgers for 15-16[U].[/U][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]6. [B]No one can name 4 teams that ACC could realistically added in short term[/B] when super conferences were looking more imminent, [B]that do not include one if not both Syracuse[/B][B] and Pitt.[/B] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][U]Great interim solution for 13-14 but no rush to get to 15-16 if doing so forever eliminates Penn St and Notre Dame[/U].[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]7. Though with FSU, Miami and UNC scandals, ACC cannot throw stones, UCONN as good as it is in both genders for Bball, has some ethics baggage, while [B]Cuse and Pitt run clean programs[/B]. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]8. NYC has a lot of distractions. [U]Cuse is as good an entry, (or not), into that NY market as [/U]Rutgers is (or is not), and much better in both sports, not to mention [B]lacrosse[/B].[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]9. IMO, the only negative is weather for baseball and softball but football and revenue drive this, not other sports, not even Bball.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]10. Syracuse[B] and Pitt are perennially top 10 in Bball which gives ACC 4 top programs every year[/B].[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]I could go on but you get the drift. The CT governor now seems to agree that UCONN should not man the phones waiting for an ACC call anytime soon, unless one of the 14 leaves. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][URL='http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7024219/connecticut-governor-acc-uconn-huskies-decision-not-likely-soon']http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...or-acc-uconn-huskies-decision-not-likely-soon[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]Back to expansion, Nova has a long way to go to upgrade its football program and infrastructure.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]ACC places a high emphasis on academics, second only to B1G who also requires membership in [B]Assoc of American Universities (AAU)[/B] that is nice to have but not required in ACC. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]So [B]academics in addition sometimes to geography eliminates: [/B]Memphis[B], [/B]Houston[B], ECU, USF, UCF, [/B]West VA[B], [/B]Louisville[B], TxTech, Cincy, K-State, [/B]Temple[B], [/B][B]and [/B]UK. [/SIZE][B][SIZE=3](#132 Okie St solo but ACC would waive #132 if packaged with 101 Oklahoma). [/SIZE][/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]That[U] greatly reduces[/U] the [U]list of potentials who I list below by academic rank[/U] in US News & World reports , with TV share in parenthesis, even including teams not anywhere near the East Coast:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][URL='http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?scp=1&sq=most%20popular%20college%20football%20teams%20in%20new%20york&st=cse']http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/the-geography-of-college-football-fans-and-realignment-chaos/?scp=1&sq=most popular college football teams in new york&st=cse[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]12 - Northwestern (515K and AAU as is all of B1G) would not leave B1G, distance and a lot of other non-starters[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]17 - Vandy (380K and AAU) - would not leave SEC $$ on table, won't bother to list Florida from SEC further down [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]17 - Rice (127K - AAU), like NW, too far away for what it brings[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]19 - [B]Notre Dame[/B] ([B]2.262 million TV[/B] Share) highly desirable to both B1G and ACC, not AAU but rules made to be broken, [U]wants independence[/U][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]30 - Richmond - Div 1-AA in football, already two ACC teams in VA[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3][B]45- Penn State[/B][B] (AAU and 2.642[/B] M) content in B1G for moment but having Pitt helps ACC cause, [U]views itself as eastern[/U] vs. east fringe of central[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]45 - Texas (2.25 M and AAU) issues with distance and Texas Longhorn Network, and now potential 6 year B12 rights grants[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]55 - Maryland (474K - AAU) adding Pitt and Cuse helps retain MD in ACC[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][SIZE=3]58 - [B]Pitt (831K and AAU[/B]) helps case with Penn St long term, good in both sports and geographically - [B][FONT=Georgia]no one can name 4 realistic ACC candidates better[/FONT][/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]58 - UCONN (619K, not AAU, ethics issues) - only need 2 short term and Pitt/Cuse better fits overall, BC still bitter from last time[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]62 - Syracuse[B] (769K, former AAU) -[FONT=Georgia]no one can name 4 realistic ACC candidates better[/FONT],[/B] [U]new market in upstate NY and NYC, lacrosse[/U][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]68 - Rutgers (938K, AAU) - Syracuse taps into NYC market to extent that is possible as much as Rutgers can, Rutgers bad in both sports[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]75 - Baylor (210K small market, not AAU) - distance but good in both sports and has renowned medical center[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]75 - Tulsa (120K ) dwarfed by Oklahoma and Okie St and too far[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]82 - Vermont adds nothing that Syracuse did not already add, way worse in both sports, not even sure they have a football team[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia][B]90 - Missouri[/B][B] (1.085 M and AAU[/B]) - good in both sports but competition from B1G and SEC who are bigger and closer, [U]great rivalry with KU[/U][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]97 - Iowa St (535K and AAU) - leave this one for B1G or B12 since not great in either sport to be kind in terms of its Bball[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]97 - TCU (371K small market) - already headed to BE, distance, competition also from B12 [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]101 - low water mark for ACC with FSU and NC St tied with several[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]101 - [B]Kansas (768K and AAU)[/B] - [U]may be tied to K-St who[/U] does not make cut, killed by GA Tech 66-24,[U] great Bball only add if not so far [/U][/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]101 - [SIZE=3][B]Oklahoma (1.202 M) package deal with 132-Okie St (720K)- ACC would take that if it could[/B][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]101 - Tennessee would not leave SEC, did not bother to list Nebraska also 101[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][SIZE=3][COLOR=#141414][FONT=Georgia]111 - South Carolina also would not leave SEC [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/SIZE] [/QUOTE]

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