"Syverud to work with city, county on Carrier Dome renovations"

[CuseLegacy]

Gross is on ESPNCNY Carlson is tweeting about his comments on the Dome..

https://twitter.com/ccarlsononSU

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Gross is on ESPNCNY Carlson is tweeting about his comments on the Dome..

https://twitter.com/ccarlsononSU

TGD is correct. "When the sun comes out people want to be outside." Unfortunately, too many of them want to be outside raking leaves. Gotta change that.

 

[alphaorange]

While I agree with many of your points I've got to dispute #6. In the late 1970s when I live there the population of Onondaga County was 464,000. Today it is 467,000. The five county area (Onondaga, Oswego, Madison, Cortland, Cayuga) had 767,000 residents in 1979; today the area is home to 791,000.

CNY population is higher today. I can buy that population growth has been minimal and wages for most folks stagnant or worse. But Central New Yorkers tend to paint a drearier picture of conditions than they are. You've got a different economy for sure than when I lived there but it's not all bad news.

This has been discussed in many threads but regardless of the population, the amount of people with enough disposable income to be attending games on a regular basis has really shrunk. Wages overall have really declined as far as per capita buying power.

 

[retro44]

economically the fan attendance increase needs to come from outside of Onondaga metro area. What people spend to go to the games who are local means that they will not spend that money to boost the other parts of the local economy. It just shifts the numbers around, but we all know they will probably not show that in the studies.

But if they give away free beer during the games that changes everything.

You think they may hire me for the job for promoting

 

[crzdsufan]

I see what you are saying BUT my idea would be to extend the Irving Ave, side out but at the upper level of the dome thus being on stilts, so to say, above the docks or entries that you speak of. Taking it a step further you could open that up, extend this platform out for a very large food/gathering/meeting place. It could be an open concept with a high roof line so to let in the outdoors but still keping the eliments out. Possibly part of a retractable roof concept. Maybe a dream but if we are going to re-do the Dome why not reach for the stars. I also feel strongly that individual seats need to be put in, line them up as orange and blue, givng the Dome additional color. I think people are sick of battling with their neighbor for their own paid seat. Colored seats would also give the Dome a fuller feeling when not "so full." Yes we would lose some seating but I think seating for 45K is enough realistically. I really want to see the football team stay on campus and feel the Dome is fine with some big time upgrades to bring it into the modern era.

 

[Millhouse]

This has been discussed in many threads but regardless of the population, the amount of people with enough disposable income to be attending games on a regular basis has really shrunk. Wages overall have really declined as far as per capita buying power.

100 dollar season tickets should be factored in

inflation adjusted costs of attending have gone down

 

[kirbivore]

She's an idiot. She blew a great opportunity for the city at no cost.

This is like OT forum bizzaro world. Bees bashing a fellow democrat while Milhouse is defending her.

 

[cuseinchina]

Yes, I do. It might not always be that many, but I have no doubt that easier access and better parking and tailgating would attract bigger crowds. Parking and tailgating for many at home games is a job. Then there's the climb up the hill. Doesn't keep me from going, but I bet it does for several thousand.

Years ago, when UConn used to play Yale at Yale Bowl, they'd get an extra 10,000 fans, mostly from UConn, because the tailgating was so good. Of course, many never left the parking lot and it was before they built the Rent.

The days of a wild Yale tailgate look to be over... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-01-15/yale-fraternity-sued-over-woman-s-death-at-tailgate-party.html

 

[cuseinchina]

This has been discussed in many threads but regardless of the population, the amount of people with enough disposable income to be attending games on a regular basis has really shrunk. Wages overall have really declined as far as per capita buying power.

I think its also a matter of shifting priorities in spending of disposable income. Food has taken share as people spend more to eat healthier, telecom spend (cable, cell phones etc) are much much higher than 15 years ago, gym memberships and yoga classes are way bigger (not to mention debt servicing as credit usage as % of disposable income is way higher). People are doing more things as individuals, less as groups - going to SU games is I think for many locals a core element of being part of the broad community. As people care less and less about community at large and focus more on themselves and their segmented little corner of the community (socioeconomically divided neighborhoods, alternative private schools, yoga classes etc vs knights of Columbus, pot lucks at the fire station etc). The internet, real estate prices, and lack of a common enemy (we all united around not liking communism) - has led to a decline in community - and as unrelated as it seems that will definitely hit college football attendance in a town like Syracuse.

 

[DoubleDee]

Anyone else agree that a stadium seat will not work on the 300 level? When someone tries to sneak by you you have to stand or shift your legs.

If a person has a personal bring along seat, or the rentable soft seats with a back, then said person has less room and is tripping over the back of the chair.

Between the twenties on the lower bowl, and select other areas maybe. This way it also doesn't hinder capacity as much.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Anyone else agree that a stadium seat will not work on the 300 level? When someone tries to sneak by you you have to stand or shift your legs.

If a person has a personal bring along seat, or the rentable soft seats with a back, then said person has less room and is tripping over the back of the chair.

Between the twenties on the lower bowl, and select other areas maybe. This way it also doesn't hinder capacity as much.

Wouldn't a stadium seat flip up when you stand ... providing even more room when someone wants to walk by.

 

[Millhouse]

Wouldn't a stadium seat flip up when you stand ... providing even more room when someone wants to walk by.

 

[Millhouse]

 

[Cusefan0307]

As an alum I hate the idea of a stadium off campus, but if they have to I think Kennedy Square is ideal. I think the dome is unique because it is on campus. I think Kennedy square would be perfect because of the close proximity to campus. Nothing is going to happen with the inner harbor. Congel is to otoxic, and I think you would get pushback from Alumni as well. South Campus doesn't flatter me either. You need a stadium close to campus to ensure the students come to the game. Students are not going to want to be bussed to and from games. You will lose that attendance. Keep in mind Faegans, Varsity, Chucks and all of M street would take a huge hit if the stadium was on south or the inner harbor. It wouldn't take a hit if the stadium was built in Kennedy Square.

You people trashing Miner need to re-visit recent history. Yes she doesn't have a great relationship with the Governor, but don't forget the City got screwed on the Congel deal with Destiny, and I am sure she wants to make sure that doesn't happen again. It's not like she said no, she just wants more information. I think the public deserves to hear all options, and I don't be surprised if any plans for renovations/construction are directly tied to the Reconstruction of I-81, especially with the state involved.

 

[MikeSU02]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....yracuse_sports_arena_remained_top-secret.html

SU won't show Miner (or you) its top-secret study for publicly funded sports arena

 

[OrangeXtreme]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....yracuse_sports_arena_remained_top-secret.html

SU won't show Miner (or you) its top-secret study for publicly funded sports arena

You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

 

[Millhouse]

You show me yours and I'll show you mine.

this is all so strange. lots of hot head SU fans here aren't thinking about this from the mayor's narrower perspective.

i would love to see that study to pick it apart. i guarantee it is loaded with expenses the city can't afford . i'm sure it's filled with the typical rosy unrealistic projections of economic impacts in stadium studies. they know that minor is cash strapped and might not be willing to make a big bet about this so they want her to sign off on it without anyone knowing what the city is on the hook for

why is SU so scared of the rest of us seeing this study?

 

[oldpinepoint]

this is all so strange. lots of hot head SU fans here aren't thinking about this from the mayor's narrower perspective.

i would love to see that study to pick it apart. i guarantee it is loaded with expenses the city can't afford . i'm sure it's filled with the typical rosy unrealistic projections of economic impacts in stadium studies. they know that minor is cash strapped and might not be willing to make a big bet about this so they want her to sign off on it without anyone knowing what the city is on the hook for

why is SU so scared of the rest of us seeing this study?

SU should release the report to the City or at least let the city look at it. I wonder if they were holding in to it until the new chancellor took office. The communication on this whole fiasco sucks.

 

[MaxwellCuse]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....yracuse_sports_arena_remained_top-secret.html

SU won't show Miner (or you) its top-secret study for publicly funded sports arena

What a -show. Isn't it about time for Bill Fitzpatrick to weigh in?

 

[javadoc]

Have his first book, there is some gut-busting boffo belly grabber stuff in there. More real laughs out loud than I have had in 10 years.

 

[DoubleDee]

Wouldn't a stadium seat flip up when you stand ... providing even more room when someone wants to walk by.

See this is why we have these discussions, so stupid asses like me can figure things out!!!!

Good call!

 

[alphaorange]

100 dollar season tickets should be factored in

inflation adjusted costs of attending have gone down

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Milly, I'm not trying to say that it isn't a great bargain. I'm just saying the pool is smaller...much. And although I haven't researched it, I suspect that season tickets were a cheaper deal back in the early eighties. I know I had seasons while on an apprenticeship while making 5 an hour. Great seats, too. The WVU game winning conversion was right in front of me, basically. But back to the basic response...subtract GM, Carrier, New Venture from Syracuse (and many others), and SCM from Cortland, and you lost tens of thousands of jobs belonging to blue collar, hard-nosed, hardcore fans. SCM in Cortland was 7k, alone.

 

[alphaorange]

I think its also a matter of shifting priorities in spending of disposable income. Food has taken share as people spend more to eat healthier, telecom spend (cable, cell phones etc) are much much higher than 15 years ago, gym memberships and yoga classes are way bigger (not to mention debt servicing as credit usage as % of disposable income is way higher). People are doing more things as individuals, less as groups - going to SU games is I think for many locals a core element of being part of the broad community. As people care less and less about community at large and focus more on themselves and their segmented little corner of the community (socioeconomically divided neighborhoods, alternative private schools, yoga classes etc vs knights of Columbus, pot lucks at the fire station etc). The internet, real estate prices, and lack of a common enemy (we all united around not liking communism) - has led to a decline in community - and as unrelated as it seems that will definitely hit college football attendance in a town like Syracuse.

Sure. I didn't intend to paint it with such a broad brush. I do think my point is the most obvious and single largest factor, though. It is an interesting socioeconomic discussion.

 

[Trueblue25]

The Syracuse Crunch are a jewel that Syracuse doesn't even know it has...

That teams good enough to pack a 10,000 seat arena nearly every home game.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Ten years ago I paid $250 for each of my preferred seats, now I pay $800 per seat in addition to the cost of season tickets. I was forced to move to level A even though I had level B seats in section 123 for basketball. The entire bleacher section for basketball was converted to Level A. I believe some people were grandfathered, but only the ones who were part of the original dome pricing structure. Parking was $75 now $150. Season tickets have not changed a great deal, but the preferred seats have risen a lot. So when people complain about people with preferred seats, we have all taken the hit on price increases not the regular season ticket holders.